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		<title>By: Mark N.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Q1. What happens to the 18,000 same-sex couples who married in the interim?

A. Nobody knows. &lt;/i&gt;

Is it just me, or does it seem reasonable that any law to which the answer to the question &quot;How will making this change in the law affect people?&quot; is &quot;Nobody knows&quot; should never be passed in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Q1. What happens to the 18,000 same-sex couples who married in the interim?</p>
<p>A. Nobody knows. </i></p>
<p>Is it just me, or does it seem reasonable that any law to which the answer to the question &#8220;How will making this change in the law affect people?&#8221; is &#8220;Nobody knows&#8221; should never be passed in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105273</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Church didn&#039;t come up with the idea of proposition 8 all by itself. It went along with a broad coalition of denominations. The LDS church happens to be a convenient target, thus the hubbub.

Disagreement is not dissent. Suppose you and the presidency are in the Garden Of Eden having a discussion with Eve on whether or not she should eat the apple. The prez says eat the apple that man may be. You say, No, God commanded not to eat it and besides, that Lucifer guy creeps me out. It&#039;s not a strict case of right and wrong.

The only way to solve a problem is to look at from a higher level of thinking than what created it. In tough problems like this one, I use the Beatitudes as that level of thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Church didn&#8217;t come up with the idea of proposition 8 all by itself. It went along with a broad coalition of denominations. The LDS church happens to be a convenient target, thus the hubbub.</p>
<p>Disagreement is not dissent. Suppose you and the presidency are in the Garden Of Eden having a discussion with Eve on whether or not she should eat the apple. The prez says eat the apple that man may be. You say, No, God commanded not to eat it and besides, that Lucifer guy creeps me out. It&#8217;s not a strict case of right and wrong.</p>
<p>The only way to solve a problem is to look at from a higher level of thinking than what created it. In tough problems like this one, I use the Beatitudes as that level of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Tod Robbins</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105272</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, to clarify (good grief I&#039;m hazy):

Members are disagreeing whether the Church, or its membership, should be politically involved in preserving the traditional definition of marriage, or that of celestial marriage.  I guess I am rambling, but there seems to be a few &quot;camps&quot; coming out of this issue:

-Homosexual behavior and gay marriage should be allowed a status of normalization

-We disagree with Church doctrine on the nature of homosexuality and its eternal place in the cosmos

-We actively seek to &quot;fight,&quot; &quot;oppose,&quot; &quot;challenge,&quot; the Church on the issue

-Homosexual behavior and gay marriage are not according the teachings of the scriptures or modern prophets therefore:

-We participate in political activity to maintain traditional marriage

-We allow it to normalize because it just &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; eventually, yet we maintain disagreement with this inevitability and homosexual behavior as God-ordained

-We just get confused and play some good ole American PlayStation to pass the time and hope our relationship with God gets better

-Or... nothing?

Just some scattered thoughts, maybe someone can put them together.  I&#039;m off to institute now, but really, does this extend or matter to our international membership, spread throughout the globe, or are we getting tunnel vision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, to clarify (good grief I&#8217;m hazy):</p>
<p>Members are disagreeing whether the Church, or its membership, should be politically involved in preserving the traditional definition of marriage, or that of celestial marriage.  I guess I am rambling, but there seems to be a few &#8220;camps&#8221; coming out of this issue:</p>
<p>-Homosexual behavior and gay marriage should be allowed a status of normalization</p>
<p>-We disagree with Church doctrine on the nature of homosexuality and its eternal place in the cosmos</p>
<p>-We actively seek to &#8220;fight,&#8221; &#8220;oppose,&#8221; &#8220;challenge,&#8221; the Church on the issue</p>
<p>-Homosexual behavior and gay marriage are not according the teachings of the scriptures or modern prophets therefore:</p>
<p>-We participate in political activity to maintain traditional marriage</p>
<p>-We allow it to normalize because it just <em>will</em> eventually, yet we maintain disagreement with this inevitability and homosexual behavior as God-ordained</p>
<p>-We just get confused and play some good ole American PlayStation to pass the time and hope our relationship with God gets better</p>
<p>-Or&#8230; nothing?</p>
<p>Just some scattered thoughts, maybe someone can put them together.  I&#8217;m off to institute now, but really, does this extend or matter to our international membership, spread throughout the globe, or are we getting tunnel vision?</p>
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		<title>By: Tod Robbins</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105271</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meaning: ;-)

Remove ourselves (most of us on this blog) from the United States &quot;battlefront&quot; and where do you all see us (particularly members of the Church) in the political struggle to maintain the Church&#039;s stance on morality?  Do we stay out of the fray or do we get involved in future initiatives if they concern our locality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meaning: <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Remove ourselves (most of us on this blog) from the United States &#8220;battlefront&#8221; and where do you all see us (particularly members of the Church) in the political struggle to maintain the Church&#8217;s stance on morality?  Do we stay out of the fray or do we get involved in future initiatives if they concern our locality?</p>
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		<title>By: Tod Robbins</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105270</link>
		<dc:creator>Tod Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>United States legality aside, is it not important anymore to involve ourselves as members in the political process when it comes to normalizing homosexual behavior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United States legality aside, is it not important anymore to involve ourselves as members in the political process when it comes to normalizing homosexual behavior?</p>
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		<title>By: WMP</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105269</link>
		<dc:creator>WMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Thanks for the summary, Kaimi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Thanks for the summary, Kaimi.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105268</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative. Thanks, Kaimi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative. Thanks, Kaimi.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaimi</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105267</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katya,

DOMA has two main effects.  First, it states that states do not need to recognize other states&#039; same-sex marriages.  Second, it sets out that federal law does not recognize same-sex marriage.  So, for instance, same-sex couples cannot file their federal taxes as married; nor do they get married social security benefits; and so on.

The first prong has been argued to be inconsistent with constitutional provisions (full faith and credit).  So far, challenges to DOMA have not been successful.  The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear cases on DOMA thus far.

Major DOMA provisions can be found here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/1738C.html
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/7.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katya,</p>
<p>DOMA has two main effects.  First, it states that states do not need to recognize other states&#8217; same-sex marriages.  Second, it sets out that federal law does not recognize same-sex marriage.  So, for instance, same-sex couples cannot file their federal taxes as married; nor do they get married social security benefits; and so on.</p>
<p>The first prong has been argued to be inconsistent with constitutional provisions (full faith and credit).  So far, challenges to DOMA have not been successful.  The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear cases on DOMA thus far.</p>
<p>Major DOMA provisions can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/1738C.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/1738C.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/7.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/7.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: SLO Sapo</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105266</link>
		<dc:creator>SLO Sapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s what I don’t understand: How is there a federal definition of marriage if it seems to be up to the states to decide if gay couples (or, for that matter, first cousins) can legally wed? What federal legislation exists concerning the definition of marriage?&quot;

Not and expert (and I didn&#039;t stay at a Holiday Inn last night), but I would think DOMA addresses not the marriage contract itself but rather how the Federal government treats things like filing status for Federal income tax and how spouses of Federal employees are treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s what I don’t understand: How is there a federal definition of marriage if it seems to be up to the states to decide if gay couples (or, for that matter, first cousins) can legally wed? What federal legislation exists concerning the definition of marriage?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not and expert (and I didn&#8217;t stay at a Holiday Inn last night), but I would think DOMA addresses not the marriage contract itself but rather how the Federal government treats things like filing status for Federal income tax and how spouses of Federal employees are treated.</p>
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		<title>By: SLO Sapo</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/11/10/answers/#comment-105265</link>
		<dc:creator>SLO Sapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi,

When the lawsuits to overturn were reported, an article in the SF Chronicle (11/05) stated, &quot;Some of the same legal organizations filing suit Wednesday offered similar arguments this summer to try to remove Prop. 8 from the ballot, but the court refused, while leaving room for a postelection challenge.&quot;

Can you comment on how the court &quot;left room&quot; for the current lawsuit and how that action may affect your Question 2?  Is it possible that the election results, included the relative closeness of the vote compared to the vote on Prop 22, would influence the court&#039;s decision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi,</p>
<p>When the lawsuits to overturn were reported, an article in the SF Chronicle (11/05) stated, &#8220;Some of the same legal organizations filing suit Wednesday offered similar arguments this summer to try to remove Prop. 8 from the ballot, but the court refused, while leaving room for a postelection challenge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you comment on how the court &#8220;left room&#8221; for the current lawsuit and how that action may affect your Question 2?  Is it possible that the election results, included the relative closeness of the vote compared to the vote on Prop 22, would influence the court&#8217;s decision?</p>
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