/Sigh

Go sell crazy somewhere else, Anon. I am tired of paying for hosting for your nuttery. The groundless and bizarre speculation manifest in your comments is the essence of why people think Mormonism is a cult. No thanks.

So who know? Its all part of that person belief system which the church doesn’t bother with too much. We do know, though, that a man can be sealed to any number of women while women can only be sealed to one man during her lifetime, so my bets are on celestial polygamy been more of a fact than not.

I believe you are misreading this part: “The Lord also showed Joseph “that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.” That is when they die, say in 1840, children return to the ‘current’ celestial kingdom of God, which we call Kolob! but then Joseph also clarified that mothers will recieve them as resurrected beings (in the millennium) and then they raise them. (Remember that God’s kingdom is today Kolob but ours will eventually be this earth under Jesus) As you also pointed out: President Smith made an effort to find individuals who had heard Joseph Smith preach on the subject of the resurrection of children (so it wasn’t in a written revelation) and was able to secure several affidavits. These .. believed that the children would be resurrected and grow to fill the stature of their spirits. Isabella …:

The idea that I got from what he said was that the children would grow and develop in the Millennium, and that the mothers would have the pleasure of training and caring for them, which they had been deprived of in this life. (9) ”

But these children have lived in the celestial kingdom from, what 34AD? until the millennium, which still has not happened, so obviously they will grow in light and knowledge during their stay in God’s kingdom as we ourselves did during our preexistence in God’s kingdom, some progressing more than others. But there is no guarantee that ALL deceased children will progress to become exalted Gods, some may be angels or in that mysterious second level of the celestial kingdom, we just don’t know.

On abortion Brigham Young famously believed that “when the mother feels life come to her infant it is the spirit entering the body.”(Discourse 17:143) but when does this happen? If it is at or near conception and the fetus is aborted wouldn’t that be murder? No, it isn’t (as you surely know) because no spirit has taken that body. But then Joseph Fielding Smith thought that still born will resurrect etc so I’ll give you that one. I don’t believe it though because if this was the case they would say it clearly and loudly.

#52 is well written and I’d only add that children will actually get that chance to experience sin and chose between right and wrong during the millenial reign, even though they are currently in a ‘celestial state’ of innocence and goodness.

No God (ie person in the highest level and married) will be able to become one without going through the tests and trials of sin/rightousness. There just aren’t any “Innocent” Gods around -that’s a fundamental contradiction.

I’d like to see your evidence on the explanation for our abortion doctrine. Pony up.

Teachings of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor who promised MOTHERS, at different times, that they will eventually have and hold their children and raise them during the millenium. If you bother to study these prophets you will see that it is doctrine, although doctine which isn’t preached in missionary programs since it doesn’t affect our own salvation. Saying “But little children are alive in Christ” or that little children can’t repent, is not saying that they will be Gods in the celestial kingdom at all. They will still need to progress to that state, which won’t happen until the end of the millenium.

#83 Never said they lose their bodies nor implied it. But Brigham Young did teach that a spirit is assigned a body at some point during pregnancy to then take it at birth. It follows that if birth doesn’t happen because of abortion or other cause, they need to go to another mother. This is why abortion is not equivalent to murder in our church (as per first presidency explainations and letters.) But I’m sure you’ve never heard of this……

#81. You definetely implied this. The paragraph that starts with “Current practices in some large populations may make this inequality worse because currently in the world there are an estimated 100 million females missing demographically from a combination of abortion, infanticide, and childbirth death” shows that you think that the imbalance is actually greater. But the problem is in thinking that those who die before the age of eight will be Gods -or who will have some part in ‘celestial polygamy’. But those who die before the age of eight will actually have to go through the 1000 years of millenium and earn their stripes for the celstial kingdom like everyone else. It isn’t as automatic as you suggest here nor will there be so many exalted souls in the highest level of the celestial kingdom as the result of all those children who died under 8 years of age.