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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60332</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to disappoint you, ESO.  I don&#039;t have any relevant information here.</description>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60331</link>
		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin--I was so hoping for some back-up from you.  Woe is me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin&#8211;I was so hoping for some back-up from you.  Woe is me.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60330</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They may have been transported to Opelika, one of the major &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1418&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;POW camps&lt;/a&gt; in Alabama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may have been transported to Opelika, one of the major <a href="http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1418" rel="nofollow">POW camps</a> in Alabama.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60329</link>
		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom had blackouts in Alexander City, Alabama when she was a child during WW2.  Alexander City, Alabama probably had some textile mills, but was otherwise no industrial giant.  Mom told me she thought the Germans were going to come and burn Alex City the way the Yankees had burned Atlanta in Gone With the Wind, a movie they had been let out of school to go see because it was so important, when it opened in the 30s.  She had seen it many times by the time of the blackouts, and it was a big part of her mental landscape, including her main reference on war.

She did also go down to the train station to look at the German POWs being transported by train to some camp somewhere in the area.  She said they looked so sad and haunted and afraid that she felt terrible for them.  I wonder where the camp was, and how the prisoners were treated there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom had blackouts in Alexander City, Alabama when she was a child during WW2.  Alexander City, Alabama probably had some textile mills, but was otherwise no industrial giant.  Mom told me she thought the Germans were going to come and burn Alex City the way the Yankees had burned Atlanta in Gone With the Wind, a movie they had been let out of school to go see because it was so important, when it opened in the 30s.  She had seen it many times by the time of the blackouts, and it was a big part of her mental landscape, including her main reference on war.</p>
<p>She did also go down to the train station to look at the German POWs being transported by train to some camp somewhere in the area.  She said they looked so sad and haunted and afraid that she felt terrible for them.  I wonder where the camp was, and how the prisoners were treated there.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveP</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60328</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal belief is that ministering angels will be used for air traffic control in the next life.</description>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60327</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing short of a time machine and personal verification would be good enough for me, ESO.</description>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60326</link>
		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh!  I heart BCC but BCC does not heart me.

I have only heard the story from my Grandpa, and I suppose he could be lying, but why would he?

Thanks to those of you who have spoken out about blackouts.  I am sure many of us who have experienced paranoia in post 9/11 flying (like not allowing mothers to bring breast milk on board or letting toddlers bring sippy cups of water) will recognize that our fears are not always rational.  Just as those toddlers are not actually carrying explosives in their sippy cups, air raids in the US seem absurd to us now.

Palmyra is right in between two cities, Rochester and Syracuse which, although they now seem minor, were industrial centers of the time.  Rochester was the 23rd largest city in the country, but had a very skilled workforce and led in technology.  The point was that the light shining in Palmyra would lure the bombers they feared AWAY from those cities.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://quincyww2.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/on-the-homefront-mom-drove-for-the-red-cross/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here &lt;/a&gt;is a very unofficial source, but a nice personal memory of war era Rochester, touching on both points (technology vital to the war effort and blackouts).  &lt;a href=&quot;http://4rochester.com/content/rochestertimeline.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This &lt;/a&gt;timeline of Rochester indicates that blackouts started here in 1941 (the Cobbs Hill Reservoir mentioned is one block from my house and today would be considered inconsequential).  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/powerofz7/1942.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This &lt;/a&gt;is from a Rochester newspaper in 1942 and indicates actual rules for the blackouts.

The Moroni statue went up in 1934..

So--when I said &quot;government&quot; in the story, that is what I meant.  But perhaps you were thinking Roosevelt, and I am happy to think it could have been a local mayor or city council without rendering the story &quot;rubbish.&quot;  And I was mistaken to have said &quot;every night&quot; because in reading up on the blackouts, I can see they were occasional, not daily.  And like I said above--I agree that the idea of German bombers in western NY is comical, but it appears that they were genuinely feared.  And I am not saying that lighting the statue was a brilliant idea--again, it sounds very funny--but apparently it was requested.  Maybe it was the townspeople of Palmyra&#039;s (historically anti-Mormon) hope against hope that it would get bombed.  Hope that is good enough for you Mark B. and Ronan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh!  I heart BCC but BCC does not heart me.</p>
<p>I have only heard the story from my Grandpa, and I suppose he could be lying, but why would he?</p>
<p>Thanks to those of you who have spoken out about blackouts.  I am sure many of us who have experienced paranoia in post 9/11 flying (like not allowing mothers to bring breast milk on board or letting toddlers bring sippy cups of water) will recognize that our fears are not always rational.  Just as those toddlers are not actually carrying explosives in their sippy cups, air raids in the US seem absurd to us now.</p>
<p>Palmyra is right in between two cities, Rochester and Syracuse which, although they now seem minor, were industrial centers of the time.  Rochester was the 23rd largest city in the country, but had a very skilled workforce and led in technology.  The point was that the light shining in Palmyra would lure the bombers they feared AWAY from those cities.  <a href="http://quincyww2.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/on-the-homefront-mom-drove-for-the-red-cross/" rel="nofollow">Here </a>is a very unofficial source, but a nice personal memory of war era Rochester, touching on both points (technology vital to the war effort and blackouts).  <a href="http://4rochester.com/content/rochestertimeline.aspx" rel="nofollow">This </a>timeline of Rochester indicates that blackouts started here in 1941 (the Cobbs Hill Reservoir mentioned is one block from my house and today would be considered inconsequential).  <a href="http://www.geocities.com/powerofz7/1942.html" rel="nofollow">This </a>is from a Rochester newspaper in 1942 and indicates actual rules for the blackouts.</p>
<p>The Moroni statue went up in 1934..</p>
<p>So&#8211;when I said &#8220;government&#8221; in the story, that is what I meant.  But perhaps you were thinking Roosevelt, and I am happy to think it could have been a local mayor or city council without rendering the story &#8220;rubbish.&#8221;  And I was mistaken to have said &#8220;every night&#8221; because in reading up on the blackouts, I can see they were occasional, not daily.  And like I said above&#8211;I agree that the idea of German bombers in western NY is comical, but it appears that they were genuinely feared.  And I am not saying that lighting the statue was a brilliant idea&#8211;again, it sounds very funny&#8211;but apparently it was requested.  Maybe it was the townspeople of Palmyra&#8217;s (historically anti-Mormon) hope against hope that it would get bombed.  Hope that is good enough for you Mark B. and Ronan.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60303</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another version of the London Temple story appeared recently on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nauvoo.com/ubb/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000468&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Nauvoo.&lt;/a&gt;
In this version, the temple either wasn&#039;t allowed to have a statue of Moroni, or they had to remove it so that it wouldn&#039;t interfere with air traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another version of the London Temple story appeared recently on <a href="http://www.nauvoo.com/ubb/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000468" rel="nofollow"> Nauvoo.</a><br />
In this version, the temple either wasn&#8217;t allowed to have a statue of Moroni, or they had to remove it so that it wouldn&#8217;t interfere with air traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60325</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found an October 1992 article published in the &lt;em&gt;Deseret News&lt;/em&gt; that noted that &quot;[s]ituated on 32 acres  near the flight route of the nearby London Gatwick Airport, the [London] temple long has been a reference point for pilots.&quot;  Laminate it, paste a magnet on the back, and slap it on the fridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found an October 1992 article published in the <em>Deseret News</em> that noted that &#8220;[s]ituated on 32 acres  near the flight route of the nearby London Gatwick Airport, the [London] temple long has been a reference point for pilots.&#8221;  Laminate it, paste a magnet on the back, and slap it on the fridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/21/zeitcast-29/#comment-60324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the three levels of the CK, people might like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/is-the-celestial-kingdom-divided-into-three-subdegrees/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;.

On ministering angels, I love the Grondahl cartoon that shows a married couple dining at a posh restaurant in the hereafter, and floating next to their table in a waiter&#039;s outfit is a handsome guy who says &quot;Hello, my name is Chad and I&#039;ll be your ministering angel this evening.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the three levels of the CK, people might like <a href="http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2006/03/is-the-celestial-kingdom-divided-into-three-subdegrees/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.</p>
<p>On ministering angels, I love the Grondahl cartoon that shows a married couple dining at a posh restaurant in the hereafter, and floating next to their table in a waiter&#8217;s outfit is a handsome guy who says &#8220;Hello, my name is Chad and I&#8217;ll be your ministering angel this evening.&#8221;</p>
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