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		<title>By: Thomas Parkin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ive just re-read what I wrote, and I want to say something else. I feel somewhat uncomfortable with the soap analogy. We do need to be cleansed, of course, as you know and feel - but it isn&#039;t really that we have our sexual desires removed as transformed. We do not, and you will not, become an un-sexual creature - so don&#039;t fear that. I&#039;m having a hard time finding a way to describe the change. Initially, for me, and still, I suppose, what happens is that something vicious or mean or dark comes out of it. I suppose what replaces it is love. Again, best to you. ~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive just re-read what I wrote, and I want to say something else. I feel somewhat uncomfortable with the soap analogy. We do need to be cleansed, of course, as you know and feel &#8211; but it isn&#8217;t really that we have our sexual desires removed as transformed. We do not, and you will not, become an un-sexual creature &#8211; so don&#8217;t fear that. I&#8217;m having a hard time finding a way to describe the change. Initially, for me, and still, I suppose, what happens is that something vicious or mean or dark comes out of it. I suppose what replaces it is love. Again, best to you. ~</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Parkin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anon,

I feel that I should answer your post. There are , perhaps, several reasons why I ought not, but I feel I should, anyway.

Firstly and mostly, I want to let you know my perspective on your problem. Please know that I DO NOT mean to minimize your suffering, or the reality of your spiritual condition. I have committed and seen sins so much worse than what you are describing,- so so so much worse,- and yet the Lord has been merciful to me and many many others, and will be merciful to you and certainly does not condemn you. You are certainly not pathetic, or any of those other adjectives you use. We live in these fleshy bodies and are all of us to some greater or lesser degree subject to what you describe of yourself. It may manifest in slightly different forms, or come with a somewhat different set of feelings for someone else -but almost all of us, men and women, will face some form of the struggle you are having.

You must be a very good and sensitive person to suffer so much for it. I am absolutely certain that the Lord loves you, empathizes with your situation, understands your disappointments and pain, is not shocked or surprised by you, and wants to help you. I want to tell you with total confidence, knowing what I know from my own experience and watching others, that you can go to Him even with this sin again and again and again. You must never feel that you cannot go to Him. The point for Him will be that you are trying. Let Him in, and don&#039;t be fooled into thinking that what you do puts you beyond His reach. We do not have to be perfect to receive His Spirit. We are cleansed by the Spirit but, think of this, _how could we be  cleansed by the Spirit if we had to already be perfectly clean before receiving the Spirit._ It&#039;s like saying I can&#039;t touch soap until my body is clean. :) The desire and the striving is all. Every day turn to God, plead with Him, let His light in, and slowly this will become a strength to you - even if you never defeat it 100% in this life, you will begin to feel it is strength to you - never give up. Remember Paul&#039;s thorn in the flesh - he says that it kept him humble even though he received many revelations. Think of that, he received many revelations even though his thorn in the flesh never went entirely away. Perhaps we might think, well, Paul&#039;s thorn must not have been so egregious as mine. But we don&#039;t know what it was, only that he had it, it caused him disappointment, and that he never gave up or let it stop him from going boldly before the Throne of Grace.

I am personally finally finally beginning to understand what it means to be a chaste person. My own thoughts and sins sometimes cause me pain. Yet, I am nowhere near the man I was just a few short years ago. This is not primarily a matter of my own effort, but has happened through the influence of the Spirit as I have genuinely tried.

I have prayed to our Father in the name of our Savior (isn&#039;t that a wonderful word, Savior?!) for healing in your heart and in your family. I wish the very very best to you and all of us you likewise struggle. ~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon,</p>
<p>I feel that I should answer your post. There are , perhaps, several reasons why I ought not, but I feel I should, anyway.</p>
<p>Firstly and mostly, I want to let you know my perspective on your problem. Please know that I DO NOT mean to minimize your suffering, or the reality of your spiritual condition. I have committed and seen sins so much worse than what you are describing,- so so so much worse,- and yet the Lord has been merciful to me and many many others, and will be merciful to you and certainly does not condemn you. You are certainly not pathetic, or any of those other adjectives you use. We live in these fleshy bodies and are all of us to some greater or lesser degree subject to what you describe of yourself. It may manifest in slightly different forms, or come with a somewhat different set of feelings for someone else -but almost all of us, men and women, will face some form of the struggle you are having.</p>
<p>You must be a very good and sensitive person to suffer so much for it. I am absolutely certain that the Lord loves you, empathizes with your situation, understands your disappointments and pain, is not shocked or surprised by you, and wants to help you. I want to tell you with total confidence, knowing what I know from my own experience and watching others, that you can go to Him even with this sin again and again and again. You must never feel that you cannot go to Him. The point for Him will be that you are trying. Let Him in, and don&#8217;t be fooled into thinking that what you do puts you beyond His reach. We do not have to be perfect to receive His Spirit. We are cleansed by the Spirit but, think of this, _how could we be  cleansed by the Spirit if we had to already be perfectly clean before receiving the Spirit._ It&#8217;s like saying I can&#8217;t touch soap until my body is clean. :) The desire and the striving is all. Every day turn to God, plead with Him, let His light in, and slowly this will become a strength to you &#8211; even if you never defeat it 100% in this life, you will begin to feel it is strength to you &#8211; never give up. Remember Paul&#8217;s thorn in the flesh &#8211; he says that it kept him humble even though he received many revelations. Think of that, he received many revelations even though his thorn in the flesh never went entirely away. Perhaps we might think, well, Paul&#8217;s thorn must not have been so egregious as mine. But we don&#8217;t know what it was, only that he had it, it caused him disappointment, and that he never gave up or let it stop him from going boldly before the Throne of Grace.</p>
<p>I am personally finally finally beginning to understand what it means to be a chaste person. My own thoughts and sins sometimes cause me pain. Yet, I am nowhere near the man I was just a few short years ago. This is not primarily a matter of my own effort, but has happened through the influence of the Spirit as I have genuinely tried.</p>
<p>I have prayed to our Father in the name of our Savior (isn&#8217;t that a wonderful word, Savior?!) for healing in your heart and in your family. I wish the very very best to you and all of us you likewise struggle. ~</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know who you are.  I happened on to this post last night.  Since reading it I have had no peace.  I have a knot in my stomach and a tightness in my throat.  I am a middle-aged mormon woman who has a &quot;problem&quot;, too.  I&#039;ll admit, under anonymity, what it is: masturbation.  Your analogy fits me so completely that it has left me in a mess.  I live a huge lie, being a reccomend-holding, active member who fulfills many church callings faithfully and even works for the church.  (A person is supposed to be reccomend worthy to be able to be employed by the church, in case you didn&#039;t know.)  I&#039;ve been married for over 25 years and have six children.
Marriage has been a great disappointment to me.  I feel cheated by God and all the other people who convinced me that happiness=marrying a returned missionary in the temple.  My husband has not had sex with me in over ten years, and before that it was less than once a month.  I feel betrayed.  I saved myself for this!  WHY?  I of course use all this to justify my coping strategies.  At least I didn&#039;t go out and have an affair, right?  I would never consider divorce, so this is better than that, right?  Perhaps my husband will die young.  Then I&#039;ll have a second chance at sexual satisfaction.  It&#039;s ridiculous.  I am pathetic.  I feel like a slut, a trashy gross person.  I&#039;m so immature and stupid.  The thought of never orgasming again, never having sexual pleasure again, makes me feel desperate and anxious.  For years and years and wouldn&#039;t even form the word masturbate in my head.  I compartmentalized so completely.  It wasn&#039;t until I started a twelve step program for my eating disorder that I admitted to myself that I had a problem with self-stimulation (as I used to refer to it in my own mind).  I finally admitted it to God, and for the first time I said the words out loud to another human being (step five).  That was one the hardest things I&#039;ve done.  I managed to find recovery from both problems for about three years.  But, of course, I stopped going to meetings and slowly my recovery has dwindled and I relasped and have &quot;binged&quot; once a month or so for the past few
years.  I never did sit across the desk from my bishop and tell him about my masturbation.  I just COULD NOT bring myself to do it.  I figured since I had stopped everything was okay....
I hope this makes ant sense.  I am typing this as fast as I can before my husband and kids get home.  We have never spoken of this to each other.  I pretend no one knows, but probably they do.  Am I ready to cut off my hand?  My life is so unmanageable at this point.  Will I ever find peace???
Thank you for this post.  I am dead spiritually.  I know what I need to do.  I just don&#039;t know if I can find the energy to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know who you are.  I happened on to this post last night.  Since reading it I have had no peace.  I have a knot in my stomach and a tightness in my throat.  I am a middle-aged mormon woman who has a &#8220;problem&#8221;, too.  I&#8217;ll admit, under anonymity, what it is: masturbation.  Your analogy fits me so completely that it has left me in a mess.  I live a huge lie, being a reccomend-holding, active member who fulfills many church callings faithfully and even works for the church.  (A person is supposed to be reccomend worthy to be able to be employed by the church, in case you didn&#8217;t know.)  I&#8217;ve been married for over 25 years and have six children.<br />
Marriage has been a great disappointment to me.  I feel cheated by God and all the other people who convinced me that happiness=marrying a returned missionary in the temple.  My husband has not had sex with me in over ten years, and before that it was less than once a month.  I feel betrayed.  I saved myself for this!  WHY?  I of course use all this to justify my coping strategies.  At least I didn&#8217;t go out and have an affair, right?  I would never consider divorce, so this is better than that, right?  Perhaps my husband will die young.  Then I&#8217;ll have a second chance at sexual satisfaction.  It&#8217;s ridiculous.  I am pathetic.  I feel like a slut, a trashy gross person.  I&#8217;m so immature and stupid.  The thought of never orgasming again, never having sexual pleasure again, makes me feel desperate and anxious.  For years and years and wouldn&#8217;t even form the word masturbate in my head.  I compartmentalized so completely.  It wasn&#8217;t until I started a twelve step program for my eating disorder that I admitted to myself that I had a problem with self-stimulation (as I used to refer to it in my own mind).  I finally admitted it to God, and for the first time I said the words out loud to another human being (step five).  That was one the hardest things I&#8217;ve done.  I managed to find recovery from both problems for about three years.  But, of course, I stopped going to meetings and slowly my recovery has dwindled and I relasped and have &#8220;binged&#8221; once a month or so for the past few<br />
years.  I never did sit across the desk from my bishop and tell him about my masturbation.  I just COULD NOT bring myself to do it.  I figured since I had stopped everything was okay&#8230;.<br />
I hope this makes ant sense.  I am typing this as fast as I can before my husband and kids get home.  We have never spoken of this to each other.  I pretend no one knows, but probably they do.  Am I ready to cut off my hand?  My life is so unmanageable at this point.  Will I ever find peace???<br />
Thank you for this post.  I am dead spiritually.  I know what I need to do.  I just don&#8217;t know if I can find the energy to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell,

I think too many of us confuse self-annihilation with self-sacrifice--especially those who are dealing with an inordinate amount of shame. We need to remember that God&#039;s purpose isn&#039;t to snuff out of existence the very beings that he loves so dearly--to change us into something that would make us not our selves anymore. Imagine crossing into the next world only to find that your loved ones have been fundamentally changed into something different than they were before--different than the people who you learned to love with your whole soul. I can&#039;t imagine a worse hell than that. For that reason, I find great hope in the doctrines revealed through Joseph Smith--how they temper those Biblical doctrines that we otherwise would mystify into meaningless metaphysical concepts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell,</p>
<p>I think too many of us confuse self-annihilation with self-sacrifice&#8211;especially those who are dealing with an inordinate amount of shame. We need to remember that God&#8217;s purpose isn&#8217;t to snuff out of existence the very beings that he loves so dearly&#8211;to change us into something that would make us not our selves anymore. Imagine crossing into the next world only to find that your loved ones have been fundamentally changed into something different than they were before&#8211;different than the people who you learned to love with your whole soul. I can&#8217;t imagine a worse hell than that. For that reason, I find great hope in the doctrines revealed through Joseph Smith&#8211;how they temper those Biblical doctrines that we otherwise would mystify into meaningless metaphysical concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very thought-provoking.  I like it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thought-provoking.  I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorin</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell,

This resonates with so many of us for good reason. I can&#039;t tell you how many golden phrases are here; it&#039;s obvious that the same spirit that&#039;s spoken to my heart has been speaking to yours.

I remember a very spiritual man who I greatly admired declaring &quot;Why, when I know what I know, do I do the things that I do?&quot; It floored me because I thought I was the only one who felt compartmentalized in his church membership -- born again of the spirit on the one hand, and still watching Satan play me like a fiddle on occasion. I&#039;m going to read this yet again and pull out some of my favorite phrases.

When it talks about the Nephites preaching nothing but faith and repentance and the confessing of sins, it&#039;s for reasons like these that you describe. We all need to realize that others are going through the same drama that we are and that this is the essence of Christian struggle, or at least that of the true Christian. We all need to know we&#039;re not alone. I think you&#039;ve hit the perfect tone here -- the actual sins are none of our business, but the openness with the struggle benefits all of us.

And you&#039;re right -- when it comes down to it, &quot;cutting off your hand&quot; and &quot;taking on one&#039;s cross&quot; are not extreme metaphors. It really comes down to voluntary and complete surrender to the Lord, and unfortunately it can take a lifetime figuring out how to do that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell,</p>
<p>This resonates with so many of us for good reason. I can&#8217;t tell you how many golden phrases are here; it&#8217;s obvious that the same spirit that&#8217;s spoken to my heart has been speaking to yours.</p>
<p>I remember a very spiritual man who I greatly admired declaring &#8220;Why, when I know what I know, do I do the things that I do?&#8221; It floored me because I thought I was the only one who felt compartmentalized in his church membership &#8212; born again of the spirit on the one hand, and still watching Satan play me like a fiddle on occasion. I&#8217;m going to read this yet again and pull out some of my favorite phrases.</p>
<p>When it talks about the Nephites preaching nothing but faith and repentance and the confessing of sins, it&#8217;s for reasons like these that you describe. We all need to realize that others are going through the same drama that we are and that this is the essence of Christian struggle, or at least that of the true Christian. We all need to know we&#8217;re not alone. I think you&#8217;ve hit the perfect tone here &#8212; the actual sins are none of our business, but the openness with the struggle benefits all of us.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right &#8212; when it comes down to it, &#8220;cutting off your hand&#8221; and &#8220;taking on one&#8217;s cross&#8221; are not extreme metaphors. It really comes down to voluntary and complete surrender to the Lord, and unfortunately it can take a lifetime figuring out how to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Arben Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler, Janeannechovy, Keith, thanks much for your comments.

Mary AA--wow, talk about honesty! I&#039;m grateful you felt strong enough to share your thoughts with us. I knew this post might well touch on some pretty raw feelings, but I hadn&#039;t imagine a response like yours. Thank you for it.

The New Testament emphasizes the idea of losing yourself, of serving God and feeling His love through forgetting oneself and serving one&#039;s fellow man. In my experience (which I have had too much of, unfortunately) this scriptural call is one that struggling addicts can (sometimes knowingly, sometimes not) abuse, as can their co-dependents; both can end up embracing the idea that the sins or needs or deficiencies in question must be constantly attended to, that everyone else has an obligation to put life on hold and make exceptions for the person in need of help. Of course, all us addicts--all us &lt;i&gt;sinners&lt;/i&gt;, which includes every person reading this comment, not to mention every person on this planet--do need help. But a &quot;help&quot; which makes someone feel that their first obligation is to put their own relationship with the Savior on hold, and spend their time &quot;cataloging/covering up for/taking the blame for/internalizing/shielding/blaming/hiding/down-playing&quot; (great list, by the way!)...well, that&#039;s not truly losing yourself in the service of another person; that&#039;s having allowed another person to so completely define and inhabit you that his selfish (whether he realizes it or not) interests become &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; selfish interests. At its extreme, co-dependency becomes a perverse and sad sort of self-love (&quot;I need him to love himself so I can love myself again!&quot;). Obviously, that isn&#039;t at all what the Lord wants for us--for any of us.

Sorry to have gone on at length; this is just something that I have strong feelings about, having been, perhaps, a perpetrator of it myself. God bless you, Mary AA, in whatever decisions you&#039;re inspired to make. You&#039;ll be in my prayers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, Janeannechovy, Keith, thanks much for your comments.</p>
<p>Mary AA&#8211;wow, talk about honesty! I&#8217;m grateful you felt strong enough to share your thoughts with us. I knew this post might well touch on some pretty raw feelings, but I hadn&#8217;t imagine a response like yours. Thank you for it.</p>
<p>The New Testament emphasizes the idea of losing yourself, of serving God and feeling His love through forgetting oneself and serving one&#8217;s fellow man. In my experience (which I have had too much of, unfortunately) this scriptural call is one that struggling addicts can (sometimes knowingly, sometimes not) abuse, as can their co-dependents; both can end up embracing the idea that the sins or needs or deficiencies in question must be constantly attended to, that everyone else has an obligation to put life on hold and make exceptions for the person in need of help. Of course, all us addicts&#8211;all us <i>sinners</i>, which includes every person reading this comment, not to mention every person on this planet&#8211;do need help. But a &#8220;help&#8221; which makes someone feel that their first obligation is to put their own relationship with the Savior on hold, and spend their time &#8220;cataloging/covering up for/taking the blame for/internalizing/shielding/blaming/hiding/down-playing&#8221; (great list, by the way!)&#8230;well, that&#8217;s not truly losing yourself in the service of another person; that&#8217;s having allowed another person to so completely define and inhabit you that his selfish (whether he realizes it or not) interests become <i>your</i> selfish interests. At its extreme, co-dependency becomes a perverse and sad sort of self-love (&#8220;I need him to love himself so I can love myself again!&#8221;). Obviously, that isn&#8217;t at all what the Lord wants for us&#8211;for any of us.</p>
<p>Sorry to have gone on at length; this is just something that I have strong feelings about, having been, perhaps, a perpetrator of it myself. God bless you, Mary AA, in whatever decisions you&#8217;re inspired to make. You&#8217;ll be in my prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell--Thank you and God bless.  Only recognition of how vexing and persistent our wrong yearnings can be lets us know fully the power of the eventual promise of the atonement, the &quot;mighty change of heart.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell&#8211;Thank you and God bless.  Only recognition of how vexing and persistent our wrong yearnings can be lets us know fully the power of the eventual promise of the atonement, the &#8220;mighty change of heart.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: janeannechovy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ow.  As has been said above, hard to read, and very good.  I&#039;m wishing you all the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ow.  As has been said above, hard to read, and very good.  I&#8217;m wishing you all the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith S.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/12/31/auld-lang-sin/#comment-98542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RAF - Compelling and beautiful.  I wish we as a community would share this kind of self-reflective honesty more often.

I&#039;ve recently indulged in a guilty pleasure and watched the first couple of seasons of Dexter.  The title character wrestles with an addiction he calls his &quot;Dark Passenger&quot;.  I&#039;ve been enthralled by his ongoing monologue debating the morality of his decisions, examining the value of the guiding principles that serve as his received wisdom, acknowledging the contradictions inherent in the way he decides to live.

I hope you don&#039;t mind being compared to Dexter. I mean it as a very high compliment. It&#039;s hard to discuss these ideas, but I&#039;m strengthened because you&#039;ve made such a strong effort.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAF &#8211; Compelling and beautiful.  I wish we as a community would share this kind of self-reflective honesty more often.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recently indulged in a guilty pleasure and watched the first couple of seasons of Dexter.  The title character wrestles with an addiction he calls his &#8220;Dark Passenger&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve been enthralled by his ongoing monologue debating the morality of his decisions, examining the value of the guiding principles that serve as his received wisdom, acknowledging the contradictions inherent in the way he decides to live.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind being compared to Dexter. I mean it as a very high compliment. It&#8217;s hard to discuss these ideas, but I&#8217;m strengthened because you&#8217;ve made such a strong effort.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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