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		<title>By: CleverName</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-128502</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@all:

Thank you so much for your insights, discussion and education these last months as we&#039;ve all delved into BigLove. 

I really appreciate your welcome and your thoughtful analyses!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@all:</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your insights, discussion and education these last months as we&#8217;ve all delved into BigLove. </p>
<p>I really appreciate your welcome and your thoughtful analyses!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia L.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-126030</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CleverName, that was a great piece. It was featured in our Sideblog (top left of the page) links. I thought he did a good job explaining why many view the temple scene as an offense that eclipses other slights against the church (depicted as rude, corrupt, etc), which is something that most outsiders don&#039;t seem to have the framework to grasp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CleverName, that was a great piece. It was featured in our Sideblog (top left of the page) links. I thought he did a good job explaining why many view the temple scene as an offense that eclipses other slights against the church (depicted as rude, corrupt, etc), which is something that most outsiders don&#8217;t seem to have the framework to grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Tyler</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-126027</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The end scene of the communion was very touching. I found myself tearing up. It was actually pretty close to how my church does it, though we use grape juice. We also do it every Sunday which I know is un usual. I thought this was a very good episode and a very exciting way to end the season. I found the Sarah and Scott storyline very touching. I thought Bill handled it well and Barb overreacted. I also liked that we , and Barb, finally got insight into why Nikki is the way she is. It will be interesting to see how that storyline plays out next season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The end scene of the communion was very touching. I found myself tearing up. It was actually pretty close to how my church does it, though we use grape juice. We also do it every Sunday which I know is un usual. I thought this was a very good episode and a very exciting way to end the season. I found the Sarah and Scott storyline very touching. I thought Bill handled it well and Barb overreacted. I also liked that we , and Barb, finally got insight into why Nikki is the way she is. It will be interesting to see how that storyline plays out next season.</p>
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		<title>By: CleverName</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-126003</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised that no one here mentioned it, but following last week&#039;s episode, Mark Blankenship at the Huffington Post wrote a very sensitive review of the episode and how uncomfortable it was to watch as a non-Mormon. Here&#039;s an excerpt:

&quot;Of course the depiction of corrupt church officials seems more volatile to me than the fictionalized portrayal of a ceremony that I don&#039;t believe in. I can relate to the negative ramifications of corruption more easily than the revelation of the endowment ceremony. But for a practicing member of the LDS church, I can absolutely understand why pulling back the curtain on something sacred would mean more than dissing some guy behind a fancy oak table. The Mormon leaders are merely human, so a stain on them is a stain on one person. The ceremony is holy, so a stain on it is like a stain on God.

Thinking about it this way, I feel sullied by what was shown. It&#039;s the same way I felt when I saw a performance of a Native American tribal ritual as a teenager. Everyone is demeaned when something so powerful is put on display as entertainment. Or at least they are when the ritual is designed to be private. I don&#039;t think it demeans Christianity, for instance, to show fictional Baptist preachers on television, because the ethos of Christianity is so often about creating public declarations of faith... of not keeping the &quot;good news&quot; to one&#039;s self.

But from my understanding, that&#039;s not how Mormons work. They&#039;re not public worshippers, and so by forcing them to become public in this scene, Big Love may have crossed a line. Like my friend, I&#039;m not sure there is any aesthetic achievement that can be worth so much hurt.

Sigh. &quot;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-blankenship/ibig-lovei-wife-watch-rou_b_175861.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that no one here mentioned it, but following last week&#8217;s episode, Mark Blankenship at the Huffington Post wrote a very sensitive review of the episode and how uncomfortable it was to watch as a non-Mormon. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course the depiction of corrupt church officials seems more volatile to me than the fictionalized portrayal of a ceremony that I don&#8217;t believe in. I can relate to the negative ramifications of corruption more easily than the revelation of the endowment ceremony. But for a practicing member of the LDS church, I can absolutely understand why pulling back the curtain on something sacred would mean more than dissing some guy behind a fancy oak table. The Mormon leaders are merely human, so a stain on them is a stain on one person. The ceremony is holy, so a stain on it is like a stain on God.</p>
<p>Thinking about it this way, I feel sullied by what was shown. It&#8217;s the same way I felt when I saw a performance of a Native American tribal ritual as a teenager. Everyone is demeaned when something so powerful is put on display as entertainment. Or at least they are when the ritual is designed to be private. I don&#8217;t think it demeans Christianity, for instance, to show fictional Baptist preachers on television, because the ethos of Christianity is so often about creating public declarations of faith&#8230; of not keeping the &#8220;good news&#8221; to one&#8217;s self.</p>
<p>But from my understanding, that&#8217;s not how Mormons work. They&#8217;re not public worshippers, and so by forcing them to become public in this scene, Big Love may have crossed a line. Like my friend, I&#8217;m not sure there is any aesthetic achievement that can be worth so much hurt.</p>
<p>Sigh. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-blankenship/ibig-lovei-wife-watch-rou_b_175861.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-blankenship/ibig-lovei-wife-watch-rou_b_175861.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-126000</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CleverName (222): Is anyone on BCC in complete agreement?

(223): The sacrament (communion) ceremony was pretty reasonable.  Bill edited the traditional prayers on the bread and water together, which LDS people don&#039;t do, but I&#039;ve been to other Mormon services (for example, the Community of Christ) where they do both together.   (Community of Christ also uses &quot;wine&quot; [actually grape juice] instead of &quot;water&quot;.)

The Hendricksons have always been independent fundamentalist Mormons, but in realizing he holds all the keys, Bill has taken a step toward organizing his own Mormon church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CleverName (222): Is anyone on BCC in complete agreement?</p>
<p>(223): The sacrament (communion) ceremony was pretty reasonable.  Bill edited the traditional prayers on the bread and water together, which LDS people don&#8217;t do, but I&#8217;ve been to other Mormon services (for example, the Community of Christ) where they do both together.   (Community of Christ also uses &#8220;wine&#8221; [actually grape juice] instead of &#8220;water&#8221;.)</p>
<p>The Hendricksons have always been independent fundamentalist Mormons, but in realizing he holds all the keys, Bill has taken a step toward organizing his own Mormon church.</p>
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		<title>By: CleverName</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-125997</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the finale:

-How do members of the LDS Church typically celebrate Communion? Was the portrayal borrowing from your traditions? Or completely fictionalized? (As a Catholic, the idea of chewing Communion almost knocked me off my couch!)

-It seems clear now that the Henricksons are off on their own version of faith, although I thought that was clear all along. They&#039;ve simply articulated it. 

-The show has also finally articulated that churches in all the forms expressed on the show are being used as an analogy for power and of the difficulty in identifying just power from unjust. (Roman was clearly identified as a false prophet, and Bill identified himself as a Prophet.) Power can be used to help or can be abused and cause immeasurable pain.  I can see two sides to this: one, members of LDS may be horribly offended because the Church is depicted as one more corrupted power; and two, as raising questions about how power can be justly and respectfully used in order to perform greater service. 

It seems likely that Bill will fail, given all the flaws he&#039;s demonstrated over the course of the show and his own lust for power in and of itself.  On one hand that can be a highly offensive idea, but on the other, it can illuminate the struggle that many people share in distinguishing their own wants and needs from the responsibilities of their faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the finale:</p>
<p>-How do members of the LDS Church typically celebrate Communion? Was the portrayal borrowing from your traditions? Or completely fictionalized? (As a Catholic, the idea of chewing Communion almost knocked me off my couch!)</p>
<p>-It seems clear now that the Henricksons are off on their own version of faith, although I thought that was clear all along. They&#8217;ve simply articulated it. </p>
<p>-The show has also finally articulated that churches in all the forms expressed on the show are being used as an analogy for power and of the difficulty in identifying just power from unjust. (Roman was clearly identified as a false prophet, and Bill identified himself as a Prophet.) Power can be used to help or can be abused and cause immeasurable pain.  I can see two sides to this: one, members of LDS may be horribly offended because the Church is depicted as one more corrupted power; and two, as raising questions about how power can be justly and respectfully used in order to perform greater service. </p>
<p>It seems likely that Bill will fail, given all the flaws he&#8217;s demonstrated over the course of the show and his own lust for power in and of itself.  On one hand that can be a highly offensive idea, but on the other, it can illuminate the struggle that many people share in distinguishing their own wants and needs from the responsibilities of their faith.</p>
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		<title>By: CleverName</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-125991</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jerry (153)-You are welcome! I&#039;m glad that you found it interesting to understand the concept, and you are certainly not alone in misunderstanding the difference between the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Birth.  I think it benefits us all to understand other faiths and I am also thankful that the folks here have been so helpful and patient in helping me to understand theirs. 

@Nigel (154)-Thank you. I just worry that I may inadvertently offend due to limited knowledge!

@ephelba(162) -Excellent example! Not one that most Catholics will ever participate in, but you are correct! 

@John-While I am glad that you felt my comments were helpful, I&#039;m not sure that we are in complete agreement. 

@ (couldn&#039;t find the post, but it was regarding Under the Banner Of Heaven)- I read this book when it came out. The book seems to be very misunderstood. Granted, I haven&#039;t re-read it since its release, but the premise of the book was  to explore the ways in which fundamentalism often leads to violence. Early in the book the author explains why he wrote the book and that he could have chosen ANY religion&#039;s fundamentalist sect to prove the point. It was not intended to be construed as an encyclopedic understanding of any one religion.    

That said, I can certainly understand why it was offensive to many. 

Years after reading the book, I have two main impressions:

1) I had no idea prior to reading it how instrumental Mormons were in settling the western regions of the US. 

2) In the very last pages of the book, some interesting questions about how to reconcile faith with a modern world were raised. 

I guess I may not have a point here, other than that I did not take the book to be an authority on LDS, and that it raised some interesting questions on faith in general in modern times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jerry (153)-You are welcome! I&#8217;m glad that you found it interesting to understand the concept, and you are certainly not alone in misunderstanding the difference between the Immaculate Conception and the Virgin Birth.  I think it benefits us all to understand other faiths and I am also thankful that the folks here have been so helpful and patient in helping me to understand theirs. </p>
<p>@Nigel (154)-Thank you. I just worry that I may inadvertently offend due to limited knowledge!</p>
<p>@ephelba(162) -Excellent example! Not one that most Catholics will ever participate in, but you are correct! </p>
<p>@John-While I am glad that you felt my comments were helpful, I&#8217;m not sure that we are in complete agreement. </p>
<p>@ (couldn&#8217;t find the post, but it was regarding Under the Banner Of Heaven)- I read this book when it came out. The book seems to be very misunderstood. Granted, I haven&#8217;t re-read it since its release, but the premise of the book was  to explore the ways in which fundamentalism often leads to violence. Early in the book the author explains why he wrote the book and that he could have chosen ANY religion&#8217;s fundamentalist sect to prove the point. It was not intended to be construed as an encyclopedic understanding of any one religion.    </p>
<p>That said, I can certainly understand why it was offensive to many. </p>
<p>Years after reading the book, I have two main impressions:</p>
<p>1) I had no idea prior to reading it how instrumental Mormons were in settling the western regions of the US. </p>
<p>2) In the very last pages of the book, some interesting questions about how to reconcile faith with a modern world were raised. </p>
<p>I guess I may not have a point here, other than that I did not take the book to be an authority on LDS, and that it raised some interesting questions on faith in general in modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-125895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow, which is worse, making the church out as money-grabbers, or showing the endowment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, which is worse, making the church out as money-grabbers, or showing the endowment?</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Hamer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was an exciting episode.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an exciting episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/15/liveblogging-big-love/#comment-125890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray, I got the impression that they&#039;re accepting the endowment but with no quid pro quo concerning reinstating Barb.  I guess we won&#039;t know for sure until next season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I got the impression that they&#8217;re accepting the endowment but with no quid pro quo concerning reinstating Barb.  I guess we won&#8217;t know for sure until next season.</p>
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