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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/04/20/going-to-church-in-iraq/#comment-139632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have the words to express how thankful I am for all those who are in the military (which is sad, because I&#039;m an writer, LOL).  Both of my brothers are mechanics in the military:  one on HumVees in the Army, and the other on F-16s in the Air Force.  And my father, two uncles, and both grandfathers also served.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the words to express how thankful I am for all those who are in the military (which is sad, because I&#8217;m an writer, LOL).  Both of my brothers are mechanics in the military:  one on HumVees in the Army, and the other on F-16s in the Air Force.  And my father, two uncles, and both grandfathers also served.</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for being a warrior for our great country and blessings on you for being a warrior in the Lord&#039;s kingdom.  The need for strong, dedicated elders is becoming more and more apparent.  Stand up for what you believe.  We need you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for being a warrior for our great country and blessings on you for being a warrior in the Lord&#8217;s kingdom.  The need for strong, dedicated elders is becoming more and more apparent.  Stand up for what you believe.  We need you.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

So cool - thanks for the report.  (Makes me a little &quot;homesick&quot; for the Branch we used to attend in the Gulf.)

Maybe I missed it - do you meet on Sunday. or on Friday?  (Since Friday is the Muslim &quot;sabbath,&quot; LDS units in the region typically meet on Fridays).  In our Branch we would refer to our lesson time as &quot;Sabbath School&quot; rather than &quot;Sunday School&quot; for that very reason.  And just to clarify, the name of the Stake was recently changed from &quot;Arabian Peninsula&quot; to &quot;Manama Bahrain.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>So cool &#8211; thanks for the report.  (Makes me a little &#8220;homesick&#8221; for the Branch we used to attend in the Gulf.)</p>
<p>Maybe I missed it &#8211; do you meet on Sunday. or on Friday?  (Since Friday is the Muslim &#8220;sabbath,&#8221; LDS units in the region typically meet on Fridays).  In our Branch we would refer to our lesson time as &#8220;Sabbath School&#8221; rather than &#8220;Sunday School&#8221; for that very reason.  And just to clarify, the name of the Stake was recently changed from &#8220;Arabian Peninsula&#8221; to &#8220;Manama Bahrain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary T</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great blog and a great testimony.  Keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog and a great testimony.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Russell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/04/20/going-to-church-in-iraq/#comment-133748</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Responding to everyone – 

Like Mack mentions, there’s a program where you are set apart as a Group Leader beforehand in your home ward and then it only takes effect if needed. I have discovered, however, that this only applies where the church is not established. Because there is an actual stake that covers Iraq, Group Leaders can be called regardless of whether they were set apart as such beforehand. Also, our stake must have recently merged or renamed, because we used to be part of the Arab Peninsula Stake, but we’ve been told we’re now in the Manama Bahrain Stake; I’m not sure what accounts for the change.

I think the Stake is supposed to provide us with stuff, but we were having difficulty with that, so recently I just went ahead and purchased ten additional hymnals from the church website because we were short.

We don’t do home teaching. And we’re not going to try unless the Stake Representative starts pressuring us to. We had heard from the guys before us that they had tried some time ago, but it was kind of silly. Everyone would just stay after church and “home teach” each other just to check the box. They also did a weekly FHE, but we tried that and no one ever came, so that’s on hold for the moment. We report our monthly Sacrament meeting totals up the Stake Representative, but other than that we’re pretty independent of oversight.

No one knows how to play piano, so we use the CD accompaniment with speakers. One time I was conducting the music and I set the hymn to the wrong number and somehow I was the last one to figure out it was the wrong hymn. Everyone had just stopped singing and there I was still flailing my arm around. Kind of embarrassing. 

I’ve eaten with people in the chow hall, and rank isn’t really an issue there, but I did ask the civilian group leader if he would do the calling and setting apart for a Major we called to be an instructor, given that he outranked than me. I’m sure it wouldn’t have been an issue, but it’s just kind of weird. He and I meet once a week to discuss callings, business, etc.

Being deployed seems to affect people differently. I know that a number of our active members were less active or altogether inactive back at home. At the same time, I also know a number of active members from my home ward who are out here that never come at all. It very well could be work issues, so who knows.

There is no ideological opposition to any kind of fraternities; the military tries hard to make religious services available. Also, strangely, back home I’ve noticed an unusually high frequency of Masonic symbols on cars on base and I’ve never heard anything frowning on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to everyone – </p>
<p>Like Mack mentions, there’s a program where you are set apart as a Group Leader beforehand in your home ward and then it only takes effect if needed. I have discovered, however, that this only applies where the church is not established. Because there is an actual stake that covers Iraq, Group Leaders can be called regardless of whether they were set apart as such beforehand. Also, our stake must have recently merged or renamed, because we used to be part of the Arab Peninsula Stake, but we’ve been told we’re now in the Manama Bahrain Stake; I’m not sure what accounts for the change.</p>
<p>I think the Stake is supposed to provide us with stuff, but we were having difficulty with that, so recently I just went ahead and purchased ten additional hymnals from the church website because we were short.</p>
<p>We don’t do home teaching. And we’re not going to try unless the Stake Representative starts pressuring us to. We had heard from the guys before us that they had tried some time ago, but it was kind of silly. Everyone would just stay after church and “home teach” each other just to check the box. They also did a weekly FHE, but we tried that and no one ever came, so that’s on hold for the moment. We report our monthly Sacrament meeting totals up the Stake Representative, but other than that we’re pretty independent of oversight.</p>
<p>No one knows how to play piano, so we use the CD accompaniment with speakers. One time I was conducting the music and I set the hymn to the wrong number and somehow I was the last one to figure out it was the wrong hymn. Everyone had just stopped singing and there I was still flailing my arm around. Kind of embarrassing. </p>
<p>I’ve eaten with people in the chow hall, and rank isn’t really an issue there, but I did ask the civilian group leader if he would do the calling and setting apart for a Major we called to be an instructor, given that he outranked than me. I’m sure it wouldn’t have been an issue, but it’s just kind of weird. He and I meet once a week to discuss callings, business, etc.</p>
<p>Being deployed seems to affect people differently. I know that a number of our active members were less active or altogether inactive back at home. At the same time, I also know a number of active members from my home ward who are out here that never come at all. It very well could be work issues, so who knows.</p>
<p>There is no ideological opposition to any kind of fraternities; the military tries hard to make religious services available. Also, strangely, back home I’ve noticed an unusually high frequency of Masonic symbols on cars on base and I’ve never heard anything frowning on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mack</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Diyala, they had &quot;group leaders&quot; which were set apart to be group leaders before going to Iraq. The group leader was similar to a Bishop or Branch President. If one group leader was leaving, he would ask if there were other group leaders from the new soldiers that had moved in to take he older soldiers place. There were always a couple, so through the power of prayer, the new group leader would be selected to continue running the services. In Iraq, there is an actual Stake leadership set up. I believe it is the Arab Peninsula Stake (I may be wrong). Anyways, they are the ones that we would request supplies from. We had the same sacrament trays and water cups as you typically find in any LDS church. We received Books of Mormons, the little pocket size to hand out. We had Sunday School books, Hymn books and would receive CDs of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. If there were soldiers that received the Ensign, they would usually circulate those around to those who didn&#039;t. Religion in the military is something that is highly promoted, so everywhere you go there is a chapel of some sort. There is also a lot of material that is available on most religions. When it comes to music during the services, if there was someone that played the piano, there was always a piano or electric keyboard available. Where we shared the Chapel with other religions, we would keep everything in separate footlockers. The most I ever counted in attendance in Diyala were 20 people, so one tray of water and bread sufficed. Before the services someone would go through the cafeteria and pick up a couple of pieces of bread. Those in attendance were contractors, State Department and military. Several times there were also investigators that would be in attendance, investigating the church. It was also amazing to me that in such a climate and in a war zone, so many people prayed at the cafeteria before eating their meals. When you are in such peril, most people pray, so it was often pretty easy to discuss religion and to invite others to church. The Church Leaders advised us that we were not to be proselyting in Iraq. That we were there for a specific purpose but now was not the time to convert all the Iraqis. However, there were so many opportunities to discuss our beliefs with soldiers, interpreters or contractors. All without proselyting specifically to the Iraqis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Diyala, they had &#8220;group leaders&#8221; which were set apart to be group leaders before going to Iraq. The group leader was similar to a Bishop or Branch President. If one group leader was leaving, he would ask if there were other group leaders from the new soldiers that had moved in to take he older soldiers place. There were always a couple, so through the power of prayer, the new group leader would be selected to continue running the services. In Iraq, there is an actual Stake leadership set up. I believe it is the Arab Peninsula Stake (I may be wrong). Anyways, they are the ones that we would request supplies from. We had the same sacrament trays and water cups as you typically find in any LDS church. We received Books of Mormons, the little pocket size to hand out. We had Sunday School books, Hymn books and would receive CDs of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. If there were soldiers that received the Ensign, they would usually circulate those around to those who didn&#8217;t. Religion in the military is something that is highly promoted, so everywhere you go there is a chapel of some sort. There is also a lot of material that is available on most religions. When it comes to music during the services, if there was someone that played the piano, there was always a piano or electric keyboard available. Where we shared the Chapel with other religions, we would keep everything in separate footlockers. The most I ever counted in attendance in Diyala were 20 people, so one tray of water and bread sufficed. Before the services someone would go through the cafeteria and pick up a couple of pieces of bread. Those in attendance were contractors, State Department and military. Several times there were also investigators that would be in attendance, investigating the church. It was also amazing to me that in such a climate and in a war zone, so many people prayed at the cafeteria before eating their meals. When you are in such peril, most people pray, so it was often pretty easy to discuss religion and to invite others to church. The Church Leaders advised us that we were not to be proselyting in Iraq. That we were there for a specific purpose but now was not the time to convert all the Iraqis. However, there were so many opportunities to discuss our beliefs with soldiers, interpreters or contractors. All without proselyting specifically to the Iraqis.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia L.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cynthia L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with #18! More ideas: I would be interested in how the church fits into your daily non-Sunday routine as well. Home teaching? Do you say hi to each other in the cafeteria, etc? If so, is the rank thing even more awkward in those settings? Is it hard for the teachers to find time to themselves when they can be in a spiritual mood during the week to prepare a lesson? 

Also other details about the group administration. How much interaction between your unit and the leadership over you? Do you have leadership meetings (equivalent of ward council/PEC)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #18! More ideas: I would be interested in how the church fits into your daily non-Sunday routine as well. Home teaching? Do you say hi to each other in the cafeteria, etc? If so, is the rank thing even more awkward in those settings? Is it hard for the teachers to find time to themselves when they can be in a spiritual mood during the week to prepare a lesson? </p>
<p>Also other details about the group administration. How much interaction between your unit and the leadership over you? Do you have leadership meetings (equivalent of ward council/PEC)?</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does the army have any mixed feelings about small fraternities, religious or otherwise, that have a special bond to one another that transcends the military organization?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the army have any mixed feelings about small fraternities, religious or otherwise, that have a special bond to one another that transcends the military organization?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This stuff is all very interesting to me.  I was unexpectedly touched by the bit about not recognizing rank at church.
Thanks for your service, Eric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff is all very interesting to me.  I was unexpectedly touched by the bit about not recognizing rank at church.<br />
Thanks for your service, Eric.</p>
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