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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever met anyone like that, [nr], but it would bug me, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever met anyone like that, [nr], but it would bug me, too.</p>
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		<title>By: [nr]</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[[nr]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did my share of taxi driving even as a working mom.  What I don&#039;t understand is SAHMs who ask others to take their children to activities because they can&#039;t afford the gas, then brag that they are completely out of debt except for their mortgage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did my share of taxi driving even as a working mom.  What I don&#8217;t understand is SAHMs who ask others to take their children to activities because they can&#8217;t afford the gas, then brag that they are completely out of debt except for their mortgage.</p>
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		<title>By: rbc</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stillconfused,

            It&#039;s a good thing you&#039;re not a creepy kind of lawyer, but as a former air traffic controller, you have to be very, very familiar with creepy faux professionals.  Hard to imagine a more creepy segment of the federal workforce than the controllers.  I would place the creepiest lawyer way above the average controller-not even close in my experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stillconfused,</p>
<p>            It&#8217;s a good thing you&#8217;re not a creepy kind of lawyer, but as a former air traffic controller, you have to be very, very familiar with creepy faux professionals.  Hard to imagine a more creepy segment of the federal workforce than the controllers.  I would place the creepiest lawyer way above the average controller-not even close in my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen M (Ethesis)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations on meeting your goals ;)

I&#039;m working very hard on the real issue (I&#039;ve two daughters I still have responsibility for).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on meeting your goals ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working very hard on the real issue (I&#8217;ve two daughters I still have responsibility for).</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron E</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Karen.  Nice to hear from you--I always enjoy your posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Karen.  Nice to hear from you&#8211;I always enjoy your posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the very least, I would ask to be compensated. Getting kids to and from activities is the responsibility of the parent. I don&#039;t agree that making them do the one asking for a ride makes it &quot;their&quot; responsibility. That&#039;s still just putting the job of transporting off on someone else. I see this like childcare. Watching your kids is the job of the parent. If you choose to work, then you need to pay someone else to do your job. Same with transporting kids (assuming they need to be transported and can&#039;t bike, walk, etc.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, I would ask to be compensated. Getting kids to and from activities is the responsibility of the parent. I don&#8217;t agree that making them do the one asking for a ride makes it &#8220;their&#8221; responsibility. That&#8217;s still just putting the job of transporting off on someone else. I see this like childcare. Watching your kids is the job of the parent. If you choose to work, then you need to pay someone else to do your job. Same with transporting kids (assuming they need to be transported and can&#8217;t bike, walk, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StillConfused, if you are not the one taxiing your kids around, and you are telling them to arrange their own rides, then doesn&#039;t that mean that someone else&#039;s parent &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; taxiing your kids around?

I play taxi for cub scouts whose parents work. Their parents are single and work because they have to, and I am happy to help out. 

But, I admit that if I was approached with the attitude that, &quot;I am working to be fulfilled, and since you&#039;re just a &#039;soccer mom who is a glorified taxi&#039; anyways, will you carpool my kid along with you&quot;, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d be so generous. 

Doing both a career and family and working it out on your own is one thing. Relying on other parents who have made the other choice is another thing. I am not sure that is what you are saying in your comment, but that&#039;s how it came across to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StillConfused, if you are not the one taxiing your kids around, and you are telling them to arrange their own rides, then doesn&#8217;t that mean that someone else&#8217;s parent <i>is</i> taxiing your kids around?</p>
<p>I play taxi for cub scouts whose parents work. Their parents are single and work because they have to, and I am happy to help out. </p>
<p>But, I admit that if I was approached with the attitude that, &#8220;I am working to be fulfilled, and since you&#8217;re just a &#8216;soccer mom who is a glorified taxi&#8217; anyways, will you carpool my kid along with you&#8221;, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d be so generous. </p>
<p>Doing both a career and family and working it out on your own is one thing. Relying on other parents who have made the other choice is another thing. I am not sure that is what you are saying in your comment, but that&#8217;s how it came across to me.</p>
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		<title>By: StillConfused</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StillConfused]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see postponing children for careers to be established.  But I hope that that doesn&#039;t feel like the requirement.  Because of my ovarian cancer, I had to have my children very young.  But I am so glad that I did because I am now 41 and essentially an empty nester.  Careers really peak in the forties anyway.  Plus, it takes a lot of energy to have little guys.  I could not imagine doing that now.

Again, this is not an all or nothing situation.  It is really not that hard to do both (family and career) so long as you do it the way that works for you and your family and not based on someone else&#039;s perceived ideas of how a family should run.

Because I grew up in a very large family with two working parents and living way out on a farm, I never had a soccer mom who was a glorified taxi.  When my children started doing activities, they understood that it was their responsibility to arrange carpools etc if needed because I was not a taxi (except on Saturdays from 10 to 2).  If you feel like you should be a mom&#039;s taxi 24/7 then you are going to have a hard time having a career too.  You will have to make some choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see postponing children for careers to be established.  But I hope that that doesn&#8217;t feel like the requirement.  Because of my ovarian cancer, I had to have my children very young.  But I am so glad that I did because I am now 41 and essentially an empty nester.  Careers really peak in the forties anyway.  Plus, it takes a lot of energy to have little guys.  I could not imagine doing that now.</p>
<p>Again, this is not an all or nothing situation.  It is really not that hard to do both (family and career) so long as you do it the way that works for you and your family and not based on someone else&#8217;s perceived ideas of how a family should run.</p>
<p>Because I grew up in a very large family with two working parents and living way out on a farm, I never had a soccer mom who was a glorified taxi.  When my children started doing activities, they understood that it was their responsibility to arrange carpools etc if needed because I was not a taxi (except on Saturdays from 10 to 2).  If you feel like you should be a mom&#8217;s taxi 24/7 then you are going to have a hard time having a career too.  You will have to make some choices.</p>
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		<title>By: bbell</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/08/10/surprise-how-i-became-the-person-i-wanted-to-marry/#comment-145448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to endorse John F&#039;s comments and had the following question.  Is Karen H in fact married with children?  The key it seems to me to having the absolutely ideal career of our dreams is to postpone children and marriage (or intentional childlessness in marriage) until well into our thirties.  Like 33-37.  In my view this has 2 problems.

1.  Biology esp for women but also has new studies are showing for men as well fertility wise.  As I have aged I have felt my body start to wear out and am thankful that I had 4-5 kids in my twenties.

2.  its a form of idol worship.  We are in essence worshipping our careers or potential careers over what the scriptures and church teach us about families and their importance in the world.  

This is John&#039;s money quote on this topic

&quot;The key to having the freedom and flexibility to have the career that you want, I would think, is to postpone marriage and family until you are already in that career — this applies to both men and women. If someone doesn’t have dependents (whether spouse or child(ren)), then one can do anything one wants, get whatever education one wants wherever and whenever one wants at whatever cost and switch in and out of careers at one’s own leisure to choose the one that most perfectly gives an outlet to personal professional ambitions. Postponing marriage and family, however, probably won’t figure into the Church’s counsel anytime in the near future, whether men or women&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to endorse John F&#8217;s comments and had the following question.  Is Karen H in fact married with children?  The key it seems to me to having the absolutely ideal career of our dreams is to postpone children and marriage (or intentional childlessness in marriage) until well into our thirties.  Like 33-37.  In my view this has 2 problems.</p>
<p>1.  Biology esp for women but also has new studies are showing for men as well fertility wise.  As I have aged I have felt my body start to wear out and am thankful that I had 4-5 kids in my twenties.</p>
<p>2.  its a form of idol worship.  We are in essence worshipping our careers or potential careers over what the scriptures and church teach us about families and their importance in the world.  </p>
<p>This is John&#8217;s money quote on this topic</p>
<p>&#8220;The key to having the freedom and flexibility to have the career that you want, I would think, is to postpone marriage and family until you are already in that career — this applies to both men and women. If someone doesn’t have dependents (whether spouse or child(ren)), then one can do anything one wants, get whatever education one wants wherever and whenever one wants at whatever cost and switch in and out of careers at one’s own leisure to choose the one that most perfectly gives an outlet to personal professional ambitions. Postponing marriage and family, however, probably won’t figure into the Church’s counsel anytime in the near future, whether men or women&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeInWeHo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeInWeHo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: 26
No, but it does seem that way because the lawyers in the Bloggernacle are disproportionately verbose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 26<br />
No, but it does seem that way because the lawyers in the Bloggernacle are disproportionately verbose.</p>
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