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	<title>Comments on: Cry baby</title>
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		<title>By: Markie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least once a month, my last bishopric called someone to give a talk aimed directly at the Primary children during Sacrament meeting.  They made a point to ask the most vivacious and entertaining speakers and they were definitely my favorite talks of the month (solid doctrine, entertaining stories, great energy).  I would totally vote for having a children&#039;s talk every week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least once a month, my last bishopric called someone to give a talk aimed directly at the Primary children during Sacrament meeting.  They made a point to ask the most vivacious and entertaining speakers and they were definitely my favorite talks of the month (solid doctrine, entertaining stories, great energy).  I would totally vote for having a children&#8217;s talk every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca J</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My oldest daughter didn&#039;t like church music when she was younger.  (She liked real music just fine, but some of the hymns and most of the Primary songs caused her to run screaming from the room.)  The reason I think more music would be an improvement is that the organ and the singing drown out the noisy kids more effectively than just talking does.  At least it did with mine.

As a Primary child, I hated to sing.  (And yes, Primary was thus a chore for me--at least it was if anyone hassled me about singing.)  I didn&#039;t mind just listening to it, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My oldest daughter didn&#8217;t like church music when she was younger.  (She liked real music just fine, but some of the hymns and most of the Primary songs caused her to run screaming from the room.)  The reason I think more music would be an improvement is that the organ and the singing drown out the noisy kids more effectively than just talking does.  At least it did with mine.</p>
<p>As a Primary child, I hated to sing.  (And yes, Primary was thus a chore for me&#8211;at least it was if anyone hassled me about singing.)  I didn&#8217;t mind just listening to it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only time I was in a cry room (older building somewhere around San Jose) it was full of noisy teenagers and latecomers.  Not much different from hanging out in the foyer.

And more music for the sake of the children?  I guess some children enjoy music in church more than mine do, but most of mine won&#039;t open the hymnal nor sing along without explicit prompting each time, and are as oblivious to musical performances in sacrament meeting as they are to the speakers.  (Primary can be quite a chore for children who don&#039;t like singing all that much.)  Perhaps it is some fault in my children&#039;s upbringing that they don&#039;t love singing and listening to hymns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I was in a cry room (older building somewhere around San Jose) it was full of noisy teenagers and latecomers.  Not much different from hanging out in the foyer.</p>
<p>And more music for the sake of the children?  I guess some children enjoy music in church more than mine do, but most of mine won&#8217;t open the hymnal nor sing along without explicit prompting each time, and are as oblivious to musical performances in sacrament meeting as they are to the speakers.  (Primary can be quite a chore for children who don&#8217;t like singing all that much.)  Perhaps it is some fault in my children&#8217;s upbringing that they don&#8217;t love singing and listening to hymns.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Magdalene</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Magdalene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If sacrament meeting is for renewing our covenants.. then it really doesn&#039;t need to take an hour and ten minutes.  If folks can move swiftly, the ward business, songs, sacrament, and a brief talk could all be done in 30 minutes... 

If we do the same to RS/PP and Sunday School - we could be outta there each Sunday is 2 hours.

Do I hear an &quot;amen&quot; for shrinking the high council talk down to 5 minutes and adding a primary song medley?  

It&#039;s a great day sisters and brothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If sacrament meeting is for renewing our covenants.. then it really doesn&#8217;t need to take an hour and ten minutes.  If folks can move swiftly, the ward business, songs, sacrament, and a brief talk could all be done in 30 minutes&#8230; </p>
<p>If we do the same to RS/PP and Sunday School &#8211; we could be outta there each Sunday is 2 hours.</p>
<p>Do I hear an &#8220;amen&#8221; for shrinking the high council talk down to 5 minutes and adding a primary song medley?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great day sisters and brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found myself wishing we had cry rooms just this Sunday during fast &amp; testimony meeting - the noise level was ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found myself wishing we had cry rooms just this Sunday during fast &amp; testimony meeting &#8211; the noise level was ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mathew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[britt,

I also have an &quot;opportunity&quot; to practice the Savior&#039;s teachings if I get pistol-whipped in a dark alley.  This is still not a compelling reason to hang around in dark alleys.  Sometimes, instead of practicing the Saviors teachings, we can just adopt a better way.

Anyone experienced in Mormon rhetoric knows &quot;opportunity&quot; is code for &quot;an bad attempt to justify something unpleasant by connecting it with God&quot;, cf. trial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>britt,</p>
<p>I also have an &#8220;opportunity&#8221; to practice the Savior&#8217;s teachings if I get pistol-whipped in a dark alley.  This is still not a compelling reason to hang around in dark alleys.  Sometimes, instead of practicing the Saviors teachings, we can just adopt a better way.</p>
<p>Anyone experienced in Mormon rhetoric knows &#8220;opportunity&#8221; is code for &#8220;an bad attempt to justify something unpleasant by connecting it with God&#8221;, cf. trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Barney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must say that as an empty nester, I love having kids in SM.  Great entertainment.  But I realize that&#039;s easy for me to say.

When our kids were small, there was a counselor in the SP who was a real Nazi on kids making any noise at all.  He would scan the congregation, and if your kid acted up in the least way he would give you a very public evil eye from the pulpit, point to the child in question and give a quick thumb motion meant to instruct you in no uncertain terms to drag the kid outta there.  I found *his* antics annoyingly offensive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that as an empty nester, I love having kids in SM.  Great entertainment.  But I realize that&#8217;s easy for me to say.</p>
<p>When our kids were small, there was a counselor in the SP who was a real Nazi on kids making any noise at all.  He would scan the congregation, and if your kid acted up in the least way he would give you a very public evil eye from the pulpit, point to the child in question and give a quick thumb motion meant to instruct you in no uncertain terms to drag the kid outta there.  I found *his* antics annoyingly offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: britt</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[britt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[children are the substitute entertainment provided while us unprofessionals give talks.  They are also our opportunity to practice what the speaker is saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>children are the substitute entertainment provided while us unprofessionals give talks.  They are also our opportunity to practice what the speaker is saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen M.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kristine, that&#039;s awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristine, that&#8217;s awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/09/26/cry-baby/#comment-159145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true that if the kids weren&#039;t there, we&#039;d miss a lot of great moments.  My favorite:  one time in that hushed moment right before the sacrament prayer starts, our primary president&#039;s 2-year-old dropped his bottle on the floor and said (loudly), &quot;damn it!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that if the kids weren&#8217;t there, we&#8217;d miss a lot of great moments.  My favorite:  one time in that hushed moment right before the sacrament prayer starts, our primary president&#8217;s 2-year-old dropped his bottle on the floor and said (loudly), &#8220;damn it!&#8221;</p>
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