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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166923</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops. Re Post # 37  The scripture reference is D&amp;C 49: 18, 19]]></description>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My last post digressed somewhat from the original topic.  To respond, I would try to hatch the eggs because I am able to care for the chicks. 

 My Home Ec/FCCLA/culinary arts teaching wife shudders when the idea of eating fertilized eggs is discussed.  She  prefers her eggs graded and candled. 

You may like to read &quot;Creativity in the Classroom&quot;  Liahona, Apr 1978.   An excerpt:
&quot;&quot;Take the case of Brother Arvin, for instance. He was young, scarcely out of college. He was a mild-mannered and happy-go-lucky sort of fellow and was never known to have been very serious about anything before; in fact, he was considered to be the community jokester. It is little wonder that the Sunday School superintendency was a bit nervous about his first teaching assignment. Would he use his classroom to act like a stand-up comic and waste the precious and valuable time of his students? Would he study his lesson manual and be prepared to teach the precepts contained therein?

The fears of the superintendency seemed to be well-founded when Brother Arvin appeared for his first lesson with two large suitcases in tow. From past experience, they knew these leather-covered boxes could have contained anything from crumpled newspapers to a live snake.&quot;&quot;

I like unusual teaching aids and methods that bring doctrine and principles alive and interesting. Yet, in this day of flues, allergies, etc, we do need some restraint.  I probably wouldn&#039;t bring chickens into class; chicks, maybe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last post digressed somewhat from the original topic.  To respond, I would try to hatch the eggs because I am able to care for the chicks. </p>
<p> My Home Ec/FCCLA/culinary arts teaching wife shudders when the idea of eating fertilized eggs is discussed.  She  prefers her eggs graded and candled. </p>
<p>You may like to read &#8220;Creativity in the Classroom&#8221;  Liahona, Apr 1978.   An excerpt:<br />
&#8220;&#8221;Take the case of Brother Arvin, for instance. He was young, scarcely out of college. He was a mild-mannered and happy-go-lucky sort of fellow and was never known to have been very serious about anything before; in fact, he was considered to be the community jokester. It is little wonder that the Sunday School superintendency was a bit nervous about his first teaching assignment. Would he use his classroom to act like a stand-up comic and waste the precious and valuable time of his students? Would he study his lesson manual and be prepared to teach the precepts contained therein?</p>
<p>The fears of the superintendency seemed to be well-founded when Brother Arvin appeared for his first lesson with two large suitcases in tow. From past experience, they knew these leather-covered boxes could have contained anything from crumpled newspapers to a live snake.&#8221;"</p>
<p>I like unusual teaching aids and methods that bring doctrine and principles alive and interesting. Yet, in this day of flues, allergies, etc, we do need some restraint.  I probably wouldn&#8217;t bring chickens into class; chicks, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166917</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sentient is defined as &quot;having the power of perception by the senses&quot; {www.dictionary.com}. I would like to introduce any doubters of animal sentience to a few cows, horses,  goats, etc. as well as a jump-in-your-lap, bowl-the-grandkids-over-with-love golden retriever.  Even a crocodile perceives via the senses - sight, sound, touch, etc. I&#039;ll go out on a limb and suggest even within its realm, an amoeba probably is sentient to its senses. One just needs to observe animals long enough to see the senses at work. 

God made animals for the use of man for food, clothing, etc. but  He is displeased if we waste. See Animals in Encyclopedia of Mormonism with scripture ref&#039;s ; Spencer W Kimball, Ensign, Nov 1978 {highly recommend reading this} 

This scripture is supportive:
18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;
  19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sentient is defined as &#8220;having the power of perception by the senses&#8221; {www.dictionary.com}. I would like to introduce any doubters of animal sentience to a few cows, horses,  goats, etc. as well as a jump-in-your-lap, bowl-the-grandkids-over-with-love golden retriever.  Even a crocodile perceives via the senses &#8211; sight, sound, touch, etc. I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and suggest even within its realm, an amoeba probably is sentient to its senses. One just needs to observe animals long enough to see the senses at work. </p>
<p>God made animals for the use of man for food, clothing, etc. but  He is displeased if we waste. See Animals in Encyclopedia of Mormonism with scripture ref&#8217;s ; Spencer W Kimball, Ensign, Nov 1978 {highly recommend reading this} </p>
<p>This scripture is supportive:<br />
18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;<br />
  19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance.</p>
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		<title>By: wjay</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166720</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sentient Dogs?  Have any of you read The Story of Edgar Sawtelle?]]></description>
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		<title>By: Enna</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always thought animals were &quot;saved&quot; from the first death (death of the body) but weren&#039;t subject to death of the spirit.  Not so much a question of sentience, but a lack of agency all together.  Animals are subject to the fall only in that they are mortal.  Not sure where that came from, though... 

At any rate, I would probably not eat the fertilized eggs, the thought of it just grosses me out too much, logical or not...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought animals were &#8220;saved&#8221; from the first death (death of the body) but weren&#8217;t subject to death of the spirit.  Not so much a question of sentience, but a lack of agency all together.  Animals are subject to the fall only in that they are mortal.  Not sure where that came from, though&#8230; </p>
<p>At any rate, I would probably not eat the fertilized eggs, the thought of it just grosses me out too much, logical or not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katie M.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katie M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A jewelry store in town changes their sign out front to put up different funny/pithy quotes. One was:

&quot;Chickens: The only animal we eat before it&#039;s born and after it&#039;s dead.&quot;

That one definitely made me think! But I don&#039;t think it enticed me to stop in and pick up a diamond necklace from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A jewelry store in town changes their sign out front to put up different funny/pithy quotes. One was:</p>
<p>&#8220;Chickens: The only animal we eat before it&#8217;s born and after it&#8217;s dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>That one definitely made me think! But I don&#8217;t think it enticed me to stop in and pick up a diamond necklace from them.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[m&#38;m]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That teacher was creative but I think out of line. 

I&#039;m in the &#039;I don&#039;t need any more living things to care for&#039; boat.

I had a recent experience like this only with a stray cat in the neighborhood. I had no sympathy whatsoever for the creature, shooing it away mercilessly. My 8-year-old looked at me with her big, blue eyes and told me she felt uncomfortable when I did that, because she loves animals.

My neighbor had much more charitable thoughts in her mind when she called animal control. She actually cared about its well-being, where I was more about just getting it out of the way. 

That said, with the eggs, I can&#039;t say I wouldn&#039;t have been tempted to let them try to incubate with the agreement that they would go directly to the pet store (provided the pet store would take them), or to the friends who already have chickens. (The chance that they would have died before hatching is probably pretty high anyway, right?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That teacher was creative but I think out of line. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the &#8216;I don&#8217;t need any more living things to care for&#8217; boat.</p>
<p>I had a recent experience like this only with a stray cat in the neighborhood. I had no sympathy whatsoever for the creature, shooing it away mercilessly. My 8-year-old looked at me with her big, blue eyes and told me she felt uncomfortable when I did that, because she loves animals.</p>
<p>My neighbor had much more charitable thoughts in her mind when she called animal control. She actually cared about its well-being, where I was more about just getting it out of the way. </p>
<p>That said, with the eggs, I can&#8217;t say I wouldn&#8217;t have been tempted to let them try to incubate with the agreement that they would go directly to the pet store (provided the pet store would take them), or to the friends who already have chickens. (The chance that they would have died before hatching is probably pretty high anyway, right?)</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Slocum</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BJ Slocum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The  possibility of incubating with eventual success is negated after the eggs have been refrigerated. Bon apetit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The  possibility of incubating with eventual success is negated after the eggs have been refrigerated. Bon apetit!</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like the native american ritual idea. I always wanted to do stuff like that back when I ate meat, but never felt I&#039;d actually known the animal well enough. I still think if I start eating meat again I&#039;d prefer it was meat I&#039;d met face to face before it died, and could thank for it&#039;s sacrifice, however unwilling.
The problem with hardcore animism, though, is that it has no end. If everything has spirits, do rocks, too? Does it hurt the rocks to break them and shape them into houses, structures, etc.
I try to think of myself as a practical animist. Anything alive deserves to be treated with respect, but made use of, both in life and death. I&#039;m an organ donor, for example.
So if you can show the unborn chicken respect, somehow, before making use of it (probably eating), that would seem to be the thing that best builds you and it up, while still being practical.
Sometimes hard to explain to kids, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the native american ritual idea. I always wanted to do stuff like that back when I ate meat, but never felt I&#8217;d actually known the animal well enough. I still think if I start eating meat again I&#8217;d prefer it was meat I&#8217;d met face to face before it died, and could thank for it&#8217;s sacrifice, however unwilling.<br />
The problem with hardcore animism, though, is that it has no end. If everything has spirits, do rocks, too? Does it hurt the rocks to break them and shape them into houses, structures, etc.<br />
I try to think of myself as a practical animist. Anything alive deserves to be treated with respect, but made use of, both in life and death. I&#8217;m an organ donor, for example.<br />
So if you can show the unborn chicken respect, somehow, before making use of it (probably eating), that would seem to be the thing that best builds you and it up, while still being practical.<br />
Sometimes hard to explain to kids, though.</p>
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		<title>By: StillConfused</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/11/13/egg-ethics/#comment-166500</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too funny.  I would do a native american ritual thanking the egg for giving itself to you for nourishment.  Search it up  and do it right.  Daughter may like that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too funny.  I would do a native american ritual thanking the egg for giving itself to you for nourishment.  Search it up  and do it right.  Daughter may like that</p>
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