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	<title>Comments on: Arnold Friberg (December 21, 1913 &#8211; July 1, 2010)</title>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-193142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john f.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marjorie, if I&#039;m not mistaken, you&#039;ve got it backwards: his work for The Ten Commandments finally opened a door for him to do work for the Church, which he had sought out earlier but had not been successful in obtaining -- until he hit it big with Cecil B. DeMille.

In any event, I do not understand what your problem with him is, even with your perspective of the timing of his Church-commissioned work. Is it that you think he did not give appropriate acknowledgement to the guiding hand of Providence in creating his Mormon-themed paintings? Frankly, I am glad he did not or else we all might have to believe that BoM characters really all did look like American suburban body-builders. What effectively became the de facto &lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/10/canonization-of-kitsch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;canonization of kitsch&lt;/a&gt; anyway with Friberg&#039;s strong themes and imagination would have to be acknowledged as actual revelation and the artistic license he took would have to be considered binding on how we all conceive of the events described. So much for Minerva Teichert&#039;s alternative view of how things might have looked in Book of Mormon times.

And if Friberg had gone around saying his artwork had been dictated by God then (unless it were literally true) would that not constitute priestcraft, considering he was painting for a commission -- it was his job?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marjorie, if I&#8217;m not mistaken, you&#8217;ve got it backwards: his work for The Ten Commandments finally opened a door for him to do work for the Church, which he had sought out earlier but had not been successful in obtaining &#8212; until he hit it big with Cecil B. DeMille.</p>
<p>In any event, I do not understand what your problem with him is, even with your perspective of the timing of his Church-commissioned work. Is it that you think he did not give appropriate acknowledgement to the guiding hand of Providence in creating his Mormon-themed paintings? Frankly, I am glad he did not or else we all might have to believe that BoM characters really all did look like American suburban body-builders. What effectively became the de facto <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/03/10/canonization-of-kitsch/" rel="nofollow">canonization of kitsch</a> anyway with Friberg&#8217;s strong themes and imagination would have to be acknowledged as actual revelation and the artistic license he took would have to be considered binding on how we all conceive of the events described. So much for Minerva Teichert&#8217;s alternative view of how things might have looked in Book of Mormon times.</p>
<p>And if Friberg had gone around saying his artwork had been dictated by God then (unless it were literally true) would that not constitute priestcraft, considering he was painting for a commission &#8212; it was his job?</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie Conder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Conder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is the first LDS Sunday School (in 1849). Richard Ballentyne is teaching a group of children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the first LDS Sunday School (in 1849). Richard Ballentyne is teaching a group of children.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192975</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis E. Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve posted half a dozen church magazines with Friberg covers -- not sure which one you&#039;re referring to, Marjorie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted half a dozen church magazines with Friberg covers &#8212; not sure which one you&#8217;re referring to, Marjorie.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie Conder</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Conder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I very much like his Sunday School piece. It has a lot of &quot;heart&quot;. I understand it was the piece that got him the BoM commission from the Primary which in turn led to his Ten Commandments paintings, and as they say, &quot;The rest is history.  I&#039;m guessing most of you have never seen the Sunday School painting. As I remember it, it was on the cover of the Instructor magazine in 1949 (or maybe 1950 if a publication deadline was missed.) Perhaps Ardis could find it and post it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I very much like his Sunday School piece. It has a lot of &#8220;heart&#8221;. I understand it was the piece that got him the BoM commission from the Primary which in turn led to his Ten Commandments paintings, and as they say, &#8220;The rest is history.  I&#8217;m guessing most of you have never seen the Sunday School painting. As I remember it, it was on the cover of the Instructor magazine in 1949 (or maybe 1950 if a publication deadline was missed.) Perhaps Ardis could find it and post it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy M</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#34 It&#039;s not about raining on a parade. This is not the place to talk personal politics or to share a beef you had with the man, either private or artistically- it is inappropriate and disrespectful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 It&#8217;s not about raining on a parade. This is not the place to talk personal politics or to share a beef you had with the man, either private or artistically- it is inappropriate and disrespectful.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danithew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this post.  Somehow I didn&#039;t pick up on Arnold Friberg&#039;s passing until this evening.  His artwork and paintings are amazing.  As a church we have been very fortunate to count him among us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.  Somehow I didn&#8217;t pick up on Arnold Friberg&#8217;s passing until this evening.  His artwork and paintings are amazing.  As a church we have been very fortunate to count him among us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192920</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ardis E. Parshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Mansfield&#039;s interview 1986 (32) is very similar to the 1952 interview quoted in my Keepa post &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/02/03/%E2%80%9Calive-and-real-and-of-immense-stature%E2%80%9D-arnold-fribergs-book-of-mormon-paintings/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (the one Edje remembers in an earlier comment). That must have been an idea Friberg used quite a bit -- that he as the artist had to make decisions that were not spelled out in the text.

As for whether or not his Book of Mormon illustrations are his only &quot;buff&quot; works, I defy anyone to  look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/05/early-work-by-arnold-friberg-discovered/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; early Friberg and not think, as one commenter did, &quot;Hen of God&quot;!

Friberg&#039;s paintings have shaped our mental images of so many scriptural events. For that he will be remembered as long as any of us live, and probably beyond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mansfield&#8217;s interview 1986 (32) is very similar to the 1952 interview quoted in my Keepa post <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/02/03/%E2%80%9Calive-and-real-and-of-immense-stature%E2%80%9D-arnold-fribergs-book-of-mormon-paintings/" rel="nofollow">here</a> (the one Edje remembers in an earlier comment). That must have been an idea Friberg used quite a bit &#8212; that he as the artist had to make decisions that were not spelled out in the text.</p>
<p>As for whether or not his Book of Mormon illustrations are his only &#8220;buff&#8221; works, I defy anyone to  look at <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/05/early-work-by-arnold-friberg-discovered/" rel="nofollow">this</a> early Friberg and not think, as one commenter did, &#8220;Hen of God&#8221;!</p>
<p>Friberg&#8217;s paintings have shaped our mental images of so many scriptural events. For that he will be remembered as long as any of us live, and probably beyond.</p>
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		<title>By: Marjorie Conder</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marjorie Conder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warning--I&#039;m going to rain a bit on this parade. Last night on the news there was a clip where he said something like, he didn&#039;t want to give too much credit, but maybe there had been a small amount of help from &quot;up there.&quot; This &quot;humility&quot; seemed right in character with the experiences I had with him. He was pompous and demanding and somewhat bitter towards the Church. Yet the Church gave him his start even before his BoM paintings. He did a centennial piece for the Sunday School, a commemorative piece for the Mormon Bridge in Omaha, and at least one cover for the old Improvement Era. 

Reading this morning&#039;s paper, I wonder what the Utah Arts Council has agreed to and how much it is going to cost us Utah Taxpayers to build this &quot;monument.&quot; I am not enthralled. 

I also wonder why only his BoM and Christ paintings are so unnaturally &quot;buff&quot;. His other paintings are not so exaggerated and for that matter even the Brother of Jared looks pretty normal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning&#8211;I&#8217;m going to rain a bit on this parade. Last night on the news there was a clip where he said something like, he didn&#8217;t want to give too much credit, but maybe there had been a small amount of help from &#8220;up there.&#8221; This &#8220;humility&#8221; seemed right in character with the experiences I had with him. He was pompous and demanding and somewhat bitter towards the Church. Yet the Church gave him his start even before his BoM paintings. He did a centennial piece for the Sunday School, a commemorative piece for the Mormon Bridge in Omaha, and at least one cover for the old Improvement Era. </p>
<p>Reading this morning&#8217;s paper, I wonder what the Utah Arts Council has agreed to and how much it is going to cost us Utah Taxpayers to build this &#8220;monument.&#8221; I am not enthralled. </p>
<p>I also wonder why only his BoM and Christ paintings are so unnaturally &#8220;buff&#8221;. His other paintings are not so exaggerated and for that matter even the Brother of Jared looks pretty normal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy M</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192908</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Mansfield, thanks for that quote- fascinating, and very true. He had to paint something, and allow his own inspiration to guide him. You have now broadened my perspective as well. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mansfield, thanks for that quote- fascinating, and very true. He had to paint something, and allow his own inspiration to guide him. You have now broadened my perspective as well. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/07/01/arnold-frieberg-december-21-1913-july-1-2010/#comment-192888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Mansfield]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
How large was the Liahona? How did they see the pointers? Did he open the lid? Was it made of open work?  What did they do with it when they weren&#039;t using it? Did they let it roll around on the deck of the ship?

[ . . .]

[But] now we come to Mr. Pictures. That&#039;s me! I can&#039;t duck.  There is no tube of paint that says, &quot;Don&#039;t know.&quot; I have to come to grips with it. You have to decide if [the Liahona] is going to be this big. Now I don&#039;t know any more than [the next guy], but I have to paint something. I decided on a handy little size that they could hold in their hand, and I made a little tripod stand for it to sit in. Someone will actually demand, . . . &quot;Then how dare you paint it, if you don&#039;t know?&quot; . . . All you can do is research the period as close as you can and picture something that makes sense.  You just come up with something that somehow fulfills your idea of what it looked like.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(&lt;a href=&quot;http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=10&amp;num=1&amp;id=238&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
How large was the Liahona? How did they see the pointers? Did he open the lid? Was it made of open work?  What did they do with it when they weren&#8217;t using it? Did they let it roll around on the deck of the ship?</p>
<p>[ . . .]</p>
<p>[But] now we come to Mr. Pictures. That&#8217;s me! I can&#8217;t duck.  There is no tube of paint that says, &#8220;Don&#8217;t know.&#8221; I have to come to grips with it. You have to decide if [the Liahona] is going to be this big. Now I don&#8217;t know any more than [the next guy], but I have to paint something. I decided on a handy little size that they could hold in their hand, and I made a little tripod stand for it to sit in. Someone will actually demand, . . . &#8220;Then how dare you paint it, if you don&#8217;t know?&#8221; . . . All you can do is research the period as close as you can and picture something that makes sense.  You just come up with something that somehow fulfills your idea of what it looked like.
</p></blockquote>
<p>(<a href="http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=10&amp;num=1&amp;id=238" rel="nofollow">link</a>)</p>
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