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Saturday Evening General Conference: The Connor Macleod Memorial Priesthood Session
October 1, 2011 — Scott B.94 Responses to “Saturday Evening General Conference: The Connor Macleod Memorial Priesthood Session”
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October 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Present.
October 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Has anybody found a secret stream like the one found in April? (http://stream.lds.org/phenglish is what it used to be)
October 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Elder Holland up first, should be awesome.
October 1, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Uh, oh. Candor…
October 1, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Elder Holland? Perfect.
October 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Talking about Satan’s tactics. This will be good.
October 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm
JRH on the devil.
October 1, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Interesting : Satan reviles any truth at all.
Makes me think of the Screwtape Letters.
October 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Very forceful and passionate call for missionary service.
Holland is the man!
October 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm
More proof that basketball is ordained of god.
October 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm
link doesnt work… read what you have to say to my husband
October 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Central to the Creator’s plan of happiness for His children.
October 1, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Whereas carpeted cultural halls are evidence that the Adversary is oh so real.
October 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Drawing from my mission memories, senior couples’ biggest job was spoiling the young elders and sisters. As a result, I’ve been pretty well conditioned to love senior couples.
October 1, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Carpeted cultural halls are justification for arson.
October 1, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Ha . . . doodie.
October 1, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Know what I hear when they say, “I want to talk to the Aaronic priesthood?” I hear, ” Take a quick nap, Brett.”
October 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm
this guy has pitch perfect general conference intonation
October 1, 2011 at 5:36 pm
“The young women will become even better because of you.”
That’s just right on the line of turning me off to this talk altogether.
October 1, 2011 at 5:37 pm
He sounds like a cross between Garrison Keillor and the Music And The Spoken Word dude.
October 1, 2011 at 5:37 pm
King Follett reference.
October 1, 2011 at 5:38 pm
‘young women will adore the young men if they’re righteous.’ I’m tempted to say sex sells, but that’s probably what satan wants me to say
October 1, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Brett–my 16 year old son was quick to pick up on being adored by the YW.
October 1, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Preach My Gospel: What makes a successful missionary?
October 1, 2011 at 5:42 pm
I fear that subsidized senior housing will lead to a class of free-loading “mission queens” who refuse to ever stop serving. It will create a self-perpetuating “mission state” for the elderly of the church.
October 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm
@Geoffsn I had a college roommate say he would probably leave the church if it werent for the girls
October 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm
FTW, Casey.
October 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm
When I hear that God knows where every missionary should serve, I think of my wife’s call to provo after being at byu for years. She asked her bishop to check with slc to see if it was a mistake. Then she got a new call.
October 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Elder Waddell is wearing the same tie as is shown in his profilemhere:
http://lds.org/church/leader/w-christopher-waddell?lang=eng
October 1, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@Geoffsn. There was a guy from scottsdale az who got a call to Tempe az. After pointing out where he was from, he got a new call to south Carolina
October 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Did he really say anything about carpeted cultural halls? (I really wish I could eavesdrop on priesthood sessions, instead of waiting until it has been put up on lds.org. – not that it’s a long wait. Last time, it was up in less than 24 hours.)
October 1, 2011 at 5:49 pm
“your mission will become sacred ground to you” -and that is why an unassuming suburb called Irmo known for something called the Okra Strut (it’s an agricultural festival, not a dance) holds a special little place in my heart.
October 1, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Implying that god custom tailors each missionary’s experience undervalues the supernal fact that LIFE is perfectly tailored to test each of us — no fine tuning needed.
October 1, 2011 at 5:51 pm
(hah my comment came seconds after another South Carolina reference. SCCM FTW).
October 1, 2011 at 5:51 pm
No, he just used a basketball metaphor. It was Joe and I who pointed out that since basketball is obviously a part of the divine plan, carpeted gyms are clearly the work of him who bound joseph’s tongue in the grove.
October 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Perhaps like dinosaur bones, the fake first mission calls are to test our faith. ;)
October 1, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Nice salmon colored tie Pres. Uchtdorf has on.
October 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm
I shall call the conductor Slow C man. Weird.
October 1, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Now the real instruction and tongue-lashings begin.
October 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm
LOVE THIS TALK! Pres. Uchtdorf ftw
October 1, 2011 at 5:57 pm
That conductor was enjoying controlling the pace of the last line of the stand up hymn. A little too much, IMO.
October 1, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Lolz.
October 1, 2011 at 6:00 pm
The town got flooded? That’s a dam shame.
October 1, 2011 at 6:01 pm
@35 Brad – Thanks.
You guys are really making me want to watch this!
October 1, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Uchtdorf telling it like it is. Shame the author of that Harpers cover article couldn’t be here for a thorough trouncing.
October 1, 2011 at 6:06 pm
purpose of quorums and rs is to alleviate suffering and poverty
October 1, 2011 at 6:06 pm
I am feeling this talk. President Uchtdorf is such a great speaker. I’m ready to go to work.
October 1, 2011 at 6:08 pm
I think that what Pres Uchtdorf is saying is that church wide, fast offerings are down, and areas must fInd ways to be self sufficient.
October 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm
@ sills grok. This talk does not contradict the Harpers article
October 1, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Javier Misiego was a student of mine at BYU. He’s now a TV News Reporter in Albuquerque. Loved the shoutout!
October 1, 2011 at 6:11 pm
It definitely contradicts it.
October 1, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@Romney … I disagree.
October 1, 2011 at 6:13 pm
@ brad. Have you read it
October 1, 2011 at 6:14 pm
feeling the spirit so strong on this talk I almost shouted out. How awesome is this: ‘Caring for poor is central to our doctrine and the church’
October 1, 2011 at 6:14 pm
First use of the word “qualify” for E. Eyring.
October 1, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Oh, yes. I’ve read it. Have you read the devastating critique Russell posted of it here a few days ago? This kind of rhetoric and principled rationalization of the welfare program strongly contradicts the harpers piece, regardless of how one happens to feel about management of the economy or social welfare.
October 1, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Just because we give to the poor doesn’t mean we aren’t trying to be rich
October 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Can we get a link to the harpers piece??
October 1, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Was that the third or fourth reference to 1 Tim 4 today? Seems it’s getting a lot of play.
October 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm
The harpers piece isn’t arguing that mormons like money or try to get rich.
October 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm
@ Joe it has a pay wall.
@ brad ever notice that pyramid schemes are popular in Utah
October 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Third repeat. Last years YM/YW theme.
October 1, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Of course, but mormon economic ambition and materialism are not the arguments of the piece. They’re things the piece takes for granted, but the argument is much deeper and much more convoluted than that.
October 1, 2011 at 6:27 pm
telling young couples to have kids regardless of economic detriment and quoting that the Lord’s way to provide for the saints is that the poor are exalted in that the rich are made low hardly seems to be the church insinuating that rich=righteous. While the members may often believe in a prosperity gospel, you can’t easily claim it’s because of our doctrine.
October 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Hey, @Joe. Here’s a link to Fox’s rebuttal. A link to the article is within.
http://bycommonconsent.com/2011/09/27/getting-everything-wrong-even-what-he-gets-right/
October 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Joe, read this:
http://bycommonconsent.com/2011/09/27/getting-everything-wrong-even-what-he-gets-right/
October 1, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Jinx. You owe me a dr. pepper.
October 1, 2011 at 6:30 pm
@Brad … jinx!
October 1, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Gotcha again.
October 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Mm … Dr Pepper.
Physician of my joy.
October 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Whoops! Nodded off for a few minutes. Which is too bad, because I love Eyring.
Nothing like waking up because everyone’s laughing.
Also, a quick follow-up–my friend who was in the conference center this morning confirmed that President Monson didn’t arrive until two minutes before his talk.
October 1, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Keep the comments about the speakers coming!
October 1, 2011 at 6:33 pm
just to get back to the talks, pres. Eyring talked about training and tutoring others
October 1, 2011 at 6:33 pm
2 Dr. Peppers? Stop while you can Silus!
October 1, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Pres. Monson quotes NYT
October 1, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Pres. Monson sounds like he may have had emergency dental work this morning
October 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Pres. Monson: stand, even in the minority, for religion and for morals
October 1, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Private Chu, the Buddhist, decided not to make a fuss and to just go with the Mormons.
October 1, 2011 at 6:42 pm
For a moment there, while quoting Benson, Monson sounded like Benson.
October 1, 2011 at 6:45 pm
“if any you have stumbled … I want you to know: there is a way back. There is a way back!”
October 1, 2011 at 6:45 pm
wow, I need to update my last blog post. Pres. Packer says that we’ll see great-grandkids before the 2nd coming. Now Pres. Monson quoted Pres. Benson’s ‘marked generation’ statement.
October 1, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Sounds more like sentimentality than actually standing for truth IMHO
http://vimeo.com/6852729
October 1, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Busted- my deacon and left early, and my wife asked who spoke. He goes “Heber J. Grant”!
October 1, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Something odd in Pres. Monson’s speech tonight. Slightly slurred, or the dentures were slipping – hard to say. It was a little disconcerting. He was very animated, though, as he always is. I had heard the story of being on the bus before.
October 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm
What I took away from Uchdorf’s welfare talk: Don’t ask SLC for money, especially if you live outside the United States. Learn to take care of yourselves and those around you based on where you live.
What I took away from Holland’s missionary talk: Parents and A.Priesthood–we’re managing your expectations for when your son doesn’t get to go on a mission because he has [porn/sex issues], so please don’t be angry with us. Have the talk with him so you are both not let down and upset with leadership. Seniors, get off you butts and serve, we’re paying for your freaking housing now! Grandkids are no excuse, and neither are the playoffs!
October 1, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Interesting since my PB says the second coming will happen in my lifetime and I will be alive and well and greet Christ with my kids.
October 1, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Also – my friend has always gone with her husband to the priesthood session.
October 1, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Uchtdorf’s talks was the hardest one to sit through. It was like a roller coaster. He kept getting me excited by quoting Law of Consecration scriptures and telling us to care for the poor in the Lord’s way. But each time he dashed my hopes by telling us that the Welfare Prgram is the Lord’s way of caring for the poor. Law of Consecration scriptures don’t promote the welfare program. The Welfare Program is found nowehere in the scriptures.
Also I found it a bit hippocritical that we are admonished to care for the poor while it’s ok for the Church to spend $6 billion on City Creek. But I dunno, maybe since we’re supposed to use our own fund and abilitie sto care for the poor rather than ask the Church, then the Church has nothing better to do with the money.
October 1, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Sara,
Lots of patriarchal blessing from the 19th century said that too. Alas they all died.
October 1, 2011 at 9:15 pm
@ zo-ma-rah:
Do you think we should put all of our money in an account and then left church leaders divvy it up?
October 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Here’s a direct quote from the Harper’s article:
“The church has its own welfare system, which distributes its own line of food and consumer products under the proprietary Deseret brand.”
October 1, 2011 at 10:01 pm
@zo-ma-rah: The number I have heard — and used — repeatedly is $1.65B. It’s not tithing money. It’s a business investment. There are a number of outside investors, as well, but it’s unclear ( as Church finances always are ) whether those investors are inside or outside the $1.65.
The sense I’ve taken from my contacts, though, is that the project was under budget.
Again — it’s unclear.
No matter the cost, it’s a for-profit venture that the Church’s for-profit arm(s) have undertaken to ensure that the Church’s global campus is surrounded by a vibrant and relevant neighborhood.
October 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Silus
for profit ventures for a for profit church? Real NT ethics stuff there. Sounds more like a corporation which I guess is what some have claimed it is.
October 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm
True, not tithing money, but it could have come from the interest earned on tithing money – or from income earned on businesses that were entered into from the interest on tithing money years ago. Don’t know.