Monday Mid-Afternoon Theological Poll: “Restoration of ALL Things?” Edition

Ever wonder what was up with Deborah and Isaiah’s wife? Vote below:

Justify said vote below. Remember, Mother in Heaven is silent notes taking.

Comments

  1. Steve Evans says:

    Curse you and your heady, neo-intellectual pollsterisms!

  2. “Priestesses and Prophetesses are…” not equivalent terms.

  3. Steve Evans says:

    Shouldn’t there be an option that lets us both give a speculative answer while simultaneously voicing our hopes that John and his polls burn?

  4. Where is the option that says that being a prophet/prophetess in Biblical times did not imply priesthood as we understand it now? Does that mean pagan syncretisms?

  5. I 2nd the comment of Syphax. I doubt that they were ordained priesthood callings. The same may well be true of many male prophets in the bible. Now, as to whether this calling of women to the priesthood will be restored or revealed in our day, I cannot say.

  6. Chris Gordon says:

    …challenging words to say. :)

  7. StillConfused says:

    I went with the pagan answer for two reasons: 1. It makes it look like I actually know what the word “syncretisms” means (seriously, do you guys talk like that all the time?) and 2. because all of that prophetess / priestess / Goddess talk when referencing the afterlife kinda creeps me out.

  8. Ok. I vote for fire!

  9. It seems to me the priesthood of the Hebrew bible as is decidedly for males–and named after Aaron (and for Mormons Melchizedeck) Wouldn’t it make sense that there would be an analogous priestesshood for prophetesses and priestesses? Frex, the Deborahonic priestesshood? IT could still endow them to administer in similar or/and the same ways. I can’t see ancient Israelites ordaining women with a male priesthood. But what do I know.

  10. I voted like a general authority….

    So burn in hell you reprobates.

    Anyway, it is a late, sleepless night in Prague. BCC is serving as a sleeping pill. This is the best European tour ever, actually, sponsored by the FineArtConnoisseur magazine. Eat your hearts out.

  11. A lot of burning in these comments. I voted for callings not available at this time, meaning that could change anytime. Particularly when we will need a female warrior who will lay waste to western civilization! A Lara Croft version of priestess, if you will.

  12. If one of the options available was that they used to chair the local activities committee but were called as prophetesses because the activities committee was no longer part of the official program, I would vote for that.

  13. Stephanie says:

    I think that if we used Old Testament words to describe what the church looks like today, Sister Beck would be called a prophetess. It makes sense – read the GC issue of the Ensign – mostly men, little bit by women. Read the OT – mostly men, little bit by women. I don’t really think she was ordained to the priesthood.

    In heaven, I think men and women will equally share in the priesthood (God’s power). On the earth, thus far, God has given little bits of that power to men to hold. I don’t see any evidence in history that says otherwise.

  14. Note: Ben S and mmiles are correct that priestesses never appear as authorized priesthood bearers in the Bible (although we do get deaconesses in the NT). However, we have other reasons to like the term so I’m not changing the poll.

  15. I feel like my answer is not represented. Isn’t it possible to receive the gift of prophecy or other spiritual gifts that would make one a priestess or prophetess without being ordained to the actual priesthood? I vote for that. And I think the same gifts are available today, but we don’t seek them like Moroni says we should, so we don’t see them much:

    “And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember that he is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that all these gifts of which I have spoken, which are spiritual, never will be done away, even as long as the world shall stand, only according to the unbelief of the children of men.”

  16. There was no option for “I have no freaking clue.” But what mmiles said in #9 sounded good.

  17. Why look to the past for answers as opposed to the future and the eternities I wonder? The beauty to me of Jesus and prophets like Joseph Smith is that they looked to fundamentally re-imagine society, to move it along using the past as a springboard for ideas not a millstone about the neck.

    So I vote for the world that I want to see, the one that feels right to me. Maybe Zion comes when we finally overcome generations upon generations of repressing our fellow humans due to their gender or race or whatever. It comes when we empower everyone to fulfill their full spiritual potential. Give me prophetesses and priestesses! Give me Mother’s blessings and mother’s standing in the circle to name and bless their children. Give me young women deaconesses passing the sacrament (in their white blouses?) Give me women ecclesiastical leaders with authority (for their growth and mine). Really if you throw out the dubious constraints of the traditions of our fathers, why not?! I like to believe this is the direction JS was going with the RS before being cut down.

    By the way I love the Deborahoic Priestesshood!

  18. #14

    It is unclear in the case of Deborah actually. She is a “judge” in Israel rendering her decisions under a palm tree. Markedly while she is the only female judge we know of in Israel, her story in judges is more remarkable for the the fact that her gender isn’t treated as something strange or an anomaly. She obviously has some significant power in the realm of politics. She prophesies and orders Barak to fight against overwhelming odds. There is a clear mix of both formal authority as well as prophetic ability.

    Interestingly, our GD manual treats the Deborah story very sparingly and emphasizes only that she is a “good friend” to Barak and we should look for good friends to help us live the gospel. Rock on, girls.

  19. You don’t need the priesthood to be a prophet. or ess.

  20. I always get a little annoyed when we try to foist our current organizational structure onto the church as it existed in the past. The prophets recorded in the O.T. probably had little in common with the presidents of the LDS church. I doubt that the Israelites (or even just the priests) ever got together and sustained Isaiah or Jeremiah as their leaders. In fact, it’s not entirely clear (based on the Old Testament itself) that either of those men were priests at all – which would mean they weren’t authorized to sacrifice animals in the temple, for example. It almost seems like, if we were to apply *that* organization to today’s church, the Presiding Bishop would be in charge of all the ordinances, while the First Presidency was all about preaching and calling to repentance.

  21. I feel disturbed and slightly embarrassed to have chosen the popular vote. I wanted to pick the last one as the most creative, though. =)

    I did wonder what you meant by “callings given, but not acted on” Do you think there might be women given the call to be prophetess nowadays? Wait a minute. Is this the subject of the next Dan Brown book? A secret society of LDS priestesses and prophetesses? Can you get me a pre-order link on Amazon?

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