Wherein Brad, Amri, and Ronan try hard to ignore Prop 8, but can’t quite avoid it. Bonus: House of Lords, black Jesus in South America. [display_podcast]
BCC Zeitcast 29
November 14, 2008 by
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Other than the wacky music, Steve and I enjoyed the dialogue. We did consider that the evangelicals were unlikely to show up in the protests rather the protesters stole their rhetoric but other than that found it quite educational.
Brad,
As a Californian I can say that the temple was never a focus of the Yes on 8 campaign. Part of the rhetoric was not that we would be forced to seal SSM in our temples.
I admit I heard this from one friend 2 days before the election. It was not widespread. However she did refuse to listen when I told her that was ridiculous, nicely.
That music is fabulous!
Amri, very nice use of the the irregular verb “swum.”
Brad, I must say that Snatch is better than Lock Stock.
Well done. RocknRollah was good. What’s with Ritchie’s belief that Russians are some sort of invincible super-race?
I’m with Jacob J; Snatch was my favorite Ritchie film.
Ronan, I agree with you about our embarrassing old racist statements. Renee Olsen (a black woman) gave a great talk at FAIR once in which she read a number of those statements. It was very uncomfortable in the room, which was a big part of the point. Hearing a faithful black sister saying those things over a pulpit is enough to cure any Mormon from ever again wanting to say anything like unto them.
Since when is “swum” an irregular verb?
Back when children were taught grammar, we all learned that “swim, swam, swum” was the way the world went.
Of course, in a day when “I shoulda went” is common and even college graduates cannot tell a lay from a lie, I suspect that the use of “swum” has become irregular.
Speechless.
C’mon, blt. You know as well as I do that a subset of ethnic Russians is, in fact, a super race.
Mmiles:
“As a Californian I can say that the temple was never a focus of the Yes on 8 campaign. Part of the rhetoric was not that we would be forced to seal SSM in our temples.
I admit I heard this from one friend 2 days before the election. It was not widespread. However she did refuse to listen when I told her that was ridiculous, nicely.”
I’d really have to disagree with you here. I heard this rumor over and over, in emails and conversations with people here in California, and from family in Utah, friends in other states. It was one of three or four top arguments about why we had to oppose gay marriage. By the end, I heard that all temples in California would have to close if the amendment didn’t pass, rather than sealing same sex couples.
I have to wonder about the Preston Temple and property taxes. Even though Ronan didn’t seem to think that the decision in Great Britain would influence other areas of the world, what a weapon it would be for those who want to close our temples down.
Super-race? Sure. Harder to kill than Terminator? Maybe.
Finally listened to this today. It’s always great to hear your voices.
Ronan, I agree with you about our embarrassing old racist statements. Renee Olsen (a black woman) gave a great talk at FAIR once in which she read a number of those statements. It was very uncomfortable in the room, which was a big part of the point. Hearing a faithful black sister saying those things over a pulpit is enough to cure any Mormon from ever again wanting to say anything like unto them.
I also agree. These things (racism in church history) need to be condemned and exposing it as much as possible seems to be the only way. Maybe all the digging into past doctrines from Romney’s run and Prop 8 will help expose the wound and finally start some of the healing. I only wish I lived in a time when this process was behind the church. The burden is indeed heavy.
The payments of rates (property taxes) for the LDS temples in England is based upon a specific reading (misreading, in my estimation, but I’m not an English lawyer) of the statute, which provides for tax exemptions for places of “public worship”. The courts have determined that the temples are not places of public worship, since only recommended members of the LDS church are permitted inside. By contrast, all the church meetinghouses are deemed to be places of public worship and therefore are exempt from property taxes.
(I think they’ve read “public” wrong–that word should be read to keep Lord Chucklesworth from obtaining tax exemption for the private chapel in his country house, not to bar exemption of a building that is meant for worship by any member of the public who qualifies by membership in the church and meetings its requirements. The English courts don’t agree with me–or with the Church’s lawyers, who it appears have made the same argument.)
Still, unless other jurisdictions’ tax laws are written as the English statute (and the one U.S. jurisdiction’s (New York) that I’m familiar with are not), we have no need to fear that there’ll be an epidemic of temple taxing.
Mark B,
Since when is “swum” an irregular verb?
As a grammar genius, I am sure you’re aware that irregular verbs are simply verbs that doesn’t follow standard conjugation rules. Thus, “swum” has been an irregular verb since all the way back when children were taught grammar.
Great stuff, as always. But the music over the end leads me to believe you were all staging a break-in at Langley.
Aha. Not having spent time on English grammar since Mrs. deHart’s English class in the fall of 1971, I forgot the dividing line between the regular and the irregular. (But if you want to know where the line falls in Japanese, I’m your man.)
Turns out that “regular” means that the past tense is formed by adding -d or -ed or -ed after doubling the final consonant. So, the past tense of swim would have to be “swimmed”.
I shoulda brung my grammar book to the table. Or should I say “bringed”?