BCC Zeitcast 74: Matt Bowman, Bigfoot, Monsters, & Mormons

In this special Halloween episode, Scott B. and Steve Evans play host to BCC’s long-time friend and Juvenile Instructor blogger Matt Bowman, who thrills the children with tales of Cain, Bigfoot, and secret UFO societies. Later, recent BCC guest blogger Theric (Eric Jepson) gives us an update on the soon-to-be-released anthology “Monsters and Mormons.”

And if that lineup isn’t sufficient, our very own Kristine Haglund checks in to help the ladies design Halloween costumes depicting famous Mormon women.

Episode Content Guide (below the fold)Monsters & Mormons Coverart
1. 0:00 – 9:40 – Intro & Hellos from Scott B., Steve Evans, & Matt Bowman
2. 9:40 – 16:25 – Steve Evans’ Top 5 Halloween Candies
3. 16:25 – 25:45 – Matt Bowman’s contribution to Between Pulpit & Pew: The Supernatural World in Mormon History and Folklore
4. 25:45 – 30:00 – Mormon beliefs about Cain, Bigfoot, and the like
5. 30:00 – 37:43 – Hominology: Bigfoot Hunters
6. 37:44 – 40:23 – Kristine’s Mormon Fashion Minute – Halloween edition
7. 40:24 – 45:15 – Scariest. Movie. Ever.
8. 45:16 – 51:10 – Mormon reactions to “evil” movies, the occult, and allegations of Satan worship
9. 51:11 – 1:08:03 – Theric talks Monsters & Mormons, including artwork from Matt Page

Links for your convenience:
1. Between Pulpit and Pew: The Supernatural World in Mormon History and Folklore, including cover design by Matt Page
2. Sasquatchopedia
3. Matt Bowman’s archives at the JI
4. Monsters & Mormons at A Motley Vision
5. Some of the artwork provided by Matt Page for Monsters & Mormons
6. Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum’s cryptozoology page at ISU
7. Monsters & Mormons, at B10 Mediaworx

Questions/Discussion for the Comments
1. What is your Top 5 Halloween Candy List?
2. Ever seen Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti or some other mythical creature? (We promise to judge you, but tell us anyway!)
3. What is your Scariest. Movie. Ever? (When, where, how old, etc…Bonus points for YouTube clips)
4. Where did “the devil worshippers” hang out in your home town?

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  1. Steve Evans says:

    I’m a little upset that Scott attempts to bury the truth about the Government’s knowledge of Sasquatch. The government surveillance video of Sasquatch interacting with a government agent can be viewed here.

  2. Steve,

  3. Steve Evans says:

    The videotape doesn’t lie.

  4. Bigfoot? No, that was clearly Cain.

  5. How can you be sure it’s not Chuck Testa?

  6. Regarding the Mormon celebrity thing, I’m pretty certain that I’d never heard of Brandon Flowers until 2 or 3 years ago, which apparently is when he stopped making good music. Or so say Steve and Matt, anyway.

  7. A couple of Canadian Bigfoot hunters claim to have the corpse of Sasquatch in a refrigerator, and that makes for a “Bigfoot Renaissance”? Matt is stretching.

  8. RAF,
    How many Canadians have to see Sasquatch in a refrigerator before you’d consider it a renaissance? If you don’t have an alternate theory, then Step Off, Homey.

  9. It’s not the numbers, Scott, it’s the Canadianness. Case in point: Steve. QED.

  10. You make a strong case, RAF. Especially in light of Steve’s Halloween Candy Top 5.

  11. I mean seriously–look at this:

    5. Bit O’ Honey
    4. Candy Corn
    3. War Heads/Now & Later
    2. Kraft Caramels
    1. Tootsie Pops

    With the exception of Tootsie Pops, I think that you’ve got a strong contender for the “Worst Halloween Candy” list championship of the world.

  12. Steve Evans says:

    You don’t like Candy Corn, Scott?

  13. Mormon Fashion Minute FTW! It should be part of every Z-cast.

  14. I love Candy Corn, that is true. However, my beef here is less with what you included–I like all of those candies–and more about what you excluded.

  15. Steve Evans says:

    Well, I knew the exclusion of chocolate was going to be controversial, and truth be told I love chocolate. But I wanted to focus on candy that people eat pretty much solely at Halloween. You can get bite size Snickers and Milky Way any time.

  16. Russell – I defy you to also poo-poo this recently self-published novel!


    But there’s been a few other recent oddities as well, like the Rick Jacobs photo, which has stirred up more excitement since anything since the Patterson footage:


    And a spate of books. Both the University of Chicago and the University of California have published Bigfoot books in the past two or three years, and a whole slew of non-academic presses have followed suit (including Forge Press, which published one by our fellow Saint Jeff Meldrum). Academics are growing increasingly interested in Bigfoot as an object of folklore; the Internet has turned a series of isolated amateurs into a well-organized movement.

  17. They eat it solely at Halloween because it isn’t that great.

  18. Steve Evans says:

    mmiles, that’s a theory, I guess, but I see no reason why that should be the case. There is a lot of lousy candy out there outside of halloween candy.

  19. Steve, one of the unfortunate ommissions from my perspective was miniature boxes of Nerds, or Wonka candy more generally.

  20. >I defy you to also poo-poo this recently self-published novel!

    “Shane, his wife and children reside in Evanston,Wyoming.”

    No serial comma; the man obviously can’t write. Also, he’s from Evanston, which is where my wife’s grandmother lives, and which I’ve visited several time, but I don’t recognize his name, which means he’s clearly a foreigner and an interloper. Case closed.

  21. My favorite candy to eat at Halloween? 8 month old Cadbury Creme Eggs.

  22. Incidentally, my thanks for John Crawford for providing the fine jazz piano background music during Kristine’s segment.

  23. I think where Scott really dropped the ball is not talking about the cover to Between Pulpit & Pew.

  24. matt b (16),
    Thanks for mentioning Jeff Meldrum. I linked him up in the main post, because upon visiting his site, I discovered that he has been interviewed on the Coast to Coast AM radio show, which basically makes him a hero in my eyes.

  25. Steve Evans says:

    Nerds are great. An omission on my part. Wonka candy deserves a place in the pantheon.

  26. Yay intro music.

  27. Coming back to the Zeitcast after a meeting…in my neighborhood, the Satanists supposedly hung out at Saltese Cemetary, just a little ways up the road from us. And in Provo, of course, everyone knew that the Satanists hung out inside the old BYU Academy building.

  28. Zionssuburb says:

    Vampires, mummies and the Holy Ghost
    These are the things that terrify me the most
    No aliens, psychopath or MTV hosts
    Scare me like vampires, mummies and the Holy Ghost
    -Jimmy Buffett

  29. observer fka eric s says:

    I tried to search the terms “Missionary dark room can’t move” and I kid you not that it said the search results I was trying to view contained adult content. WTFreak?!

  30. Theric–
    Fantastic. I updated the post itself to include a link to your site and the coverart.

  31. Also, I’m a bit late including these questions, but it would be a shame if we didn’t have some discussion of the issues included in the podcast itself:

    Questions/Discussion for the Comments
    1. What is your Top 5 Halloween Candy List?
    2. Ever seen Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti or some other mythical creature? (We promise to judge you, but tell us anyway!)
    3. What is your Scariest. Movie. Ever?
    4. Where did “the devil worshippers” hang out in your home town?

  32. 1. Reese’s miniatures, Nerds, Tootsie Pops, Candy Corn, Airheads (sorry, Matt & Steve)
    2. As disappointing as it is, the answer is no. I grew up near the location of the famed Bear Lake Monster, but never saw it with my own eyes.
    3. (included in the podcast)
    4. (included in the podcast)

  33. .

    Cool. Thanks, Scott. All the buy-now buttons will go live on Halloween.


    3. Scariest movie ever? Psycho, middle of a summer day, age 14. Movies that scared me more after as I, in the darkness, thought about them provide a worse terror though. The ones where I see the monster inside me. Those would be Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, and Brigham City.. There’s a post there, actually. . . . .

    4. Sand Canyon.

  34. Steve Evans says:

    Airheads, really??

  35. .

    I grew up in Bear Lake County and never saw it, but I do remember an awesome Jaws-like camera shot in a SLC newscast once on a story about the BLM.

    (Incidentally, great BLM story in M&M.)


  36. .

    I don’t ever remember getting Airheads for Halloween, but I remember buying an Airhead and Chiclets every day of middle school (that I had a quarter).

  37. Steve (35),
    I love them, and am not ashamed.

    Theric (36),
    You grew up in BLC? I grew up in Franklin County. Did you go to Bear Lake High? What years?

  38. .

    No, we moved away when I was ten. But seeing the poster of Preston vs BLHS in Napoleon Dynamite gave me my first taste of Bears pride.

  39. 1. What is your Top 5 Halloween Candy List? n/a

    2. Ever seen Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti or some other mythical creature? (We promise to judge you, but tell us anyway!) Does that include the woods fairies I saw at girls’ camp when I was 13?

    3. What is your Scariest. Movie. Ever? Silence of the Lambs

    4. Where did “the devil worshippers” hang out in your home town? In an abandoned church on the top of a riverside cliff and other various places all over town. (It’s a big place.)

  40. I was going to say the scariest movie was the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers — but then I remembered The Wizard of Oz. I have still never been able to watch Wizard all the way through, ever.

  41. 1. Snickers, Snickers with Almonds, Perugina Baci ( guy can dream right?), jolly ranchers, and almond joys
    2. nope, I’ve seen a manatee, that’s as close as I get to Mythical
    3. Se7en
    4. My house…Love ya bro!

  42. Best Halloween candy is those suckers with sort of a loopy handle. Those were a treasure because I’d never seen them in stores so Halloween was the only time they appeared and you could get them.

    Scariest movie ever, ever was, The Haunting (1963) an adaptation of Shirley Jackson’s ‘The Haunting of Hill House–absolutely terrifying.

    Meldrum will always be dear to me because of his book Mormonism and Evolution. But sadly, I am a Bigfoot Skeptic. I use Bigfoot as boarder case between pseudo science and real science in my Philosophy of Biology Class cause there are real scientists trying to find the beast. In preparing, I’ve bought and read scores of books and while at one time I would have claimed to be undecided, the lack of evidence, (including not a strand of DNA from the scores of Bigfoot hair tufts, the loads of hoaxes, not a single picture from the trip-wire camera traps placed by biologists studying large mammals in their region) I have fallen into deep skepticism. I keep hoping. I want Bigfoot to exist! I really do!

    The Satan worshipers were everywhere when I was in high school. Apparently. Because our youth leaders were always warning us against them. However, despite loud playing of Black Sabbath in attempt to find them, they never showed.

    Thanks for the heads up about my book and story! And just to tantalize the readership–my story has Unicorns! Yes, real Unicorns!

  43. 1. 5. Candy Corn 4. Single Serve Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups 3. Tiny Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups 2. 100,000 Grand mini bars (which I’ve only ever seen on Halloween) 1. Toothbrush
    2. I’ve seen the chupacabra several times. We chat.
    3. Glitter
    4. I lived in Bible-Belt Florida growing up. They were always hanging around old abandoned cemeteries in the woods. I think we figured the zombies would take care of them.

    RAF, thanks for the shout out. I was trying to give it a Thelonius Monk vibe, cut through with Vanessa Carlton.

  44. SteveP: but did you set up tripwire camera traps for the Satan-worshippers?!

  45. For those interested in Steve Peck’s novel A Short Stay in Hell, which is mentioned around 1:01, please note: my own brand new small publishing imprint, Strange Violin Editions, has picked up the book for formal publication. We’re looking now at a publication date of March 23, 2012, probably for simultaneous release in hardcover, paperback, and e-book (although I am still working out the details for the hardcover and that part isn’t for sure). Please see the SVE website! http://strangeviolineditions.com/forthcoming-titles/

  46. I, for one, eat Bit o’ Honeys all year round. Who wouldn’t? They are DELICIOUS. Whoever first thought of adding sugar to honey was brilliant.

  47. Scariest movie: 7 years old, Varsity Theatre at BYU, Willy Wonka…Gene Wilder version.

    Satanist coven: this sad place

  48. Scariest movie: A tale of two sisters.

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