The Sunday Morning Pepto-Bismol Explosion Session

Choir in pink (!), Andrew Unsworth at the organ, Wilberg conducting.

First Presidency is sitting down. President Eyring conducting.

Whoa–it’s not just women praying this time, they’re even letting Democrats pray!!!

Crazy dudes out in force on Temple Square.

Crazy dudes out in force on Temple Square.

President Uchtdorf leads off–The Hope of God’s Light

“It is part of our condition as mortal beings to sometimes feel as though we are surrounded by darkness. …But even though we may feel lost in the midst of our current circumstances,  God promises the hope of His light–He promises to illuminate the way before us and show us the way out of darkness.”

Yay for counseling and medical help as an adjunct to spiritual awakening!

“There may be some among you who feel darkness encroaching upon you. You may feel burdened by worry, fear, or doubt. To you and to all of us, I repeat a wonderful and certain truth–God’s light is real.”

“Nevertheless, spiritual light rarely comes to those who merely sit in darkness waiting for someone to flip a switch. It takes an act of faith to open our eye to the Light of Christ.”

“Victory in the War in Heaven was a victory for human agency. …Each choice you and I make is a test of our agency–whether we choose to be obedient or disobedient to the commandments of God is actually a choice between “liberty and eternal life” and “captivity and death.”

“Second, turn your heart toward the Lord. Lift up your soul in prayer. Acknowledge your shortcomings. Pour out your heart and express your gratitude. Let Him know of the trials you are facing. Plead with Him in Christ’s name for strength and support. Ask that your eyes may be opened, that you may see His light.”

“First, start where you are:

We don’t have to wait to cross the finish lines to receive God’s blessings. In fact, the heavens begin to part and the blessings of heaven begin to distill upon us with the very first steps we take toward the light. …The darkness may not dissipate all at once, but as surely as night always gives way to dawn, the light will come.”

“Third, walk in the light. Your Heavenly Father knows that you will make mistakes. This saddens him, but He loves you.”

“In the midst of great darkness, these beautiful, wonderful Saints had filled this Church building and our souls with light.”

“I testify that with Christ, darkness cannot succeed. Darkness will not gain victory over the light of Christ. I bear witness thatt darkness cannot stand before the brilliant light of the Son of the Living God!”
Elder Neil L. Andersen–It’s a Miracle

“The mortal life of Jesus Christ was filled with miracles.

…Our day is no different. This is a remarkable time of miracles. Six months ago as President Monson announced the age change for young men and young women desiring to serve missions, there was an undeniable spiritual outpouring. …We are grateful for the energizing faith of our sisters, the growing number of missionaries from countries across the world, and the increasing number of couples ready to serve. Fifty-eight new missions have been announced, and our bulging Missionary Training Center in Provo has amazingly found a new companion in Mexico City.”

“You know people who want to hear the gospel. You, too, are an important part of this unfolding miracle. …If you are not a full-time missionary with a badge, now is the time to paint one on your heart.”
“Returned missionaries, find your old missionary tag. Don’t wear it, but put it where you can see it. The Lord needs you now more than ever to be an instrument in His hands. All of us have a contribution to make to this miracle.”

“We respect each person’s choice and timing. A person’s lack of interest need not diminish our bonds of friendship and love.” [AMEN!!]

“Let’s make sharing our faith online more a part of our daily lives. LDS.org, Mormon.org, Facebook, Twitter, BCC–all provide opportunities.” [ok, he didn’t ay BCC]

Rosemary Wixom–The Words We Speak

NB: comments making fun of her voice will be deleted. Tired of that complaint.

“One of the greatest influences a person can have in this world is to influence a child. Children’s beliefs and self-worth are shaped early in their lives. Everyone within the sound of my voice has the power to increase a child’s confidence in himself or herself [yay!!] and to increase a child’s faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ through the words they speak.”

“Unfortunately, the distractions of this world prevent many children from hearing encouraging words that could shape their view of themselves. …The answer to our prayer of how to meet our children’s needs may be to more often technologically disconnect. Choose a time each day to disconnect from technology and reconnect with each other. Simply turn everything off.”
“We can also influence our children through the words we write to them. What words would you write to your children if you had 25 words or less?” “You are a child of God…” “I love everything about you…”

“May the words we speak and write to our children reflect the love our Heavenly Father has for His Son, Jesus Christ, and for us. And then may we pause to listen, for a child is most capable of speaking great and marvelous things in return.”

Whitney Clayton–Marriage: Watch and Learn

“…in the happiest marriages, both the husband and wife consider their relationship to be a pearl beyond price. …They observe the patterns of faith. Faith is the foundation of every virtue that strengthens marriage.”

“Happy marriages rely on the gift of repentance. It is an essential element in every good marital relationship. Humility is the essence of repentance.”

“PRACTICES FROM ANY PLACE OR ANY TIME IN WHICH HUSBANDS HAVE DOMINATED WIVES OR TREATED THEM IN ANY WAY AS SECOND-CLASS PARTNERS IN MARRIAGE ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH DIVINE LAW AND SHOULD BE REPLACED BY CORRECT PRINCIPLES…” [shout-out to Elder Clayton’s kickass wife, Kathy!]

“Where there is respect there is also transparency. There are no secrets about relevant matters in marriages based on mutual respect and transparency.” Share passwords.

“Loyalty is a form of respect.”

“The happiest marriages I have seen radiate obedience to one of the happiest commandments that we “live together in love.” Successful couples love each other with complete devotion.”

</obligatory consolation for singles

Elder L. Tom Perry–Obedience to Law is Liberty

Quotation from President McKay: “The incidents of the armed services do not permit our keeping in constant personal touch with you, either directly or by personal representation. Our next best course is to put in your hands such portions of modern revelation and of explanations of the principles of the Gospel as shall bring to you, wherever you may be, renewed hope and faith, as likewise comfort, consolation, and peace of spirit.”

“…if you wish to be a man and live abundantly, then observe God’s law. …Obedience to law is liberty.”

President Monson–Obedience Brings Blessings

Hurrah! First appearance of “the poet”

Though the heavens depart and the earth’s fountains burst,

Truth, the sum of existence, will weather the worst,

Eternal, unchanged ever more.

“A knowledge of truth and the answers to our greatest questions come to us as we are obedient to the commandments of God.”

“There are rules and laws to help ensure our physical safety.* Likewise, the Lord has provided guidelines to help ensure our spiritual safety so that we might successfully navigate this often treacherous mortal existence…”

*Maybe the teaching of these rules and laws is why President Monson loves the BSA so much.

“Declared the Savior: ‘For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.’

No greater example of obedience exists than that of our Savior. Of Him, Paul observed, ‘Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.’

The Savior demonstrated genuine love of God by living the perfect life, by honoring the sacred mission that was His. Never was He haughty. Never was He puffed up with pride. Never was He disloyal. Ever was He humble. Ever was He sincere. Ever was He obedient.

As the Savior instructed his early Apostles, so He instructs you and me: “Follow thou me.” Are we willing to obey?

The knowledge which we seek, the answers for which we yearn, and the strength which we desire today to meet the challenges of a complex and changing world can be ours when we willingly obey the Lord’s commandments. …It is my humble prayer that we may be blessed with the rich rewards promised to the obedient.”

Comments

  1. RobotCrow says:

    Pink is so hot right now.

  2. Kevin Barney says:

    I blame all the feminists. Exploding pink all over the place still won’t make them happy.

  3. Kristine says:

    Recipe for turning rousing American spirituals dull: sing at half-tempo, add harp + English horn. Repeat all verses at the same dynamic. /music snobbery

  4. The message about small beginnings leading to great things seems especially appropriate for MoFems this weekend. :-)

  5. Kristine says:

    I lied. I have to say something about doing Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel legato. ugh.

  6. Cinnamon Rolls didn’t happen. It’s bagels and chocolate milk, cheesy eggs, and some fruit this morning.

  7. The tempi yesterday afternoon were so slow I was nearly in physical pain.

    Then I remembered that slow = spiritual. Just like soft voice = spiritual. :-)

  8. Sharee Hughes says:

    I about died when I saw those Pepto-bismol dresses this morning. I even contacted the choir last year and complained abot them. They need to burn those and fire the tasteless person who ordered them!

  9. greenbaymichk says:

    Makes yesterday afternoon’s choir duds looks positively amazing! It’s a good thing that they sound fantastic!

  10. EdwardJ, I was thinking the same thing. The MSW message could be interpreted in that light. :) Interestingly, “Put Your Shoulder to the Wheel” was apparently the closing song at the launch last night.

  11. Kristine says:

    And before anyone asks, the tenor who looks like Ron Paul is my uncle. Be nice :)

  12. Seth R. says:

    Just a side note.

    Whoever is creating those Conference activity packets online for kids – thank you. My kids have gotten a lot of use out of them for the past three years.

  13. Short Prayer Win

  14. Trust him to have a cool painting like that in his office!

  15. Pres. Uchtdorf is a fan of semi-representational art! Does this mean we might start getting decent abstract stuff in future church art contests?

  16. DFU brings interesting art to GC. He gets better and better.

  17. I think it’s rarer to have a Democrat pray than a woman in conference.

  18. German Pancakes are baking, and the pepto dresses are making me sick to my stomach. I can’t lose my appetite now!

  19. Brian F. says:

    I like the German Impressionist painting. It is unfortunate that so much of American art is still stuck in Romanticism.

  20. StillConfused says:

    I missed the afternoon session yesterday (slow music put me to sleep). Did Monson speak?

  21. Is this Uchtdorf’s response to the complaints of his forgiveness talk a short while ago?

  22. StillConfused says:

    Is DFU sweaty?

  23. Andrew D says:

    Quite a dark subject for Uchtdorf. If I spoke about this in Sacrament meeting, I’d be told it was “inappropriate”…if they were to ever allow me to speak in sacrament meeting.

  24. Brian F. says:

    They even let Democrats speak , i.e. President Faust, Elder Jensen, others as well, I’m sure

  25. lol Kristine, I commented on your Ron Paul look-alike uncle to my wife yesterday!

  26. Monson did not speak yesterday afternoon. Saturday afternoon is generally the one session where the prophet does not speak.

  27. ThatRareSeattleConservative says:

    Anyone notice how nicely Pres. Eyring pronounced Uchtdorf’s name?

  28. Uchtdorf gives such great talks. I loved his PH talk last night.

  29. Shawn Tucker says:

    This is why I like the way King Lear ends. The play ends very, very darkly, but my reading is that Cordelia still held to and brought light

  30. StillConfused says:

    “The darkness will surely fade because it cannot live in the presence of” pepto bismol dresses

  31. Kent Larsen says:

    Can we have the art from Pres. Uchtdorf’s office on the front cover of the Ensigh? What a relief that would be!

  32. Heavenly Father “does not wish to break your spirit.” Pres. Uchtdorf. Love it.

  33. Shawn Tucker says:

    Elder Uchtdorf also tends to make is messages concrete with vivid examples or analogies.

  34. This is basically a continuation of his address last night: bullying/abuse is bad (though this time with more of a focus on the victim), and God’s basically okay with and understanding of the fact that we stumble occasionally.

  35. First candy bowl payoff on the word LOVE for this session. However, if a child’s name is pronounced, they get bonus trip to the candy bowl. My niece, whose middle name is HOPE, has done pretty well on this first talk today.

  36. This talk is so full of great quotes and messages that I feel like I’m going to have to read and re-read it for the rest of my life. So good.

  37. Andrew D says:

    The problem with Uchtdorf’s name is that only the germans and us Yorkshire folk are used to the guttural U sound. The apostles realise that it is not their usual u sound but they go too far to an oochtdorf sound.

  38. I think he just stole one of Kristine’s stories.

  39. anonlds says:

    I really should just stop watching everything except Uchtdorf.

  40. Shawn Tucker says:

    Wow, great point about the connection with last night’s talk.

  41. I love that he calls his wife by her first name in conference addresses. He’s not alone in that, but he does it pretty frequently. The whole tradition of general authorities calling their wives “Sister X” squicks me out a bit, and it’s been filtering down to the local level, too—so here’s hoping that that trend is on the way out.

  42. trevorprice924 says:

    Prez U always looking out for those who are different, outside the norm, etc. Then reacts with love and understanding, not scolding. <3

  43. Andrew D says:

    another candy for Hope in the dying moments!

  44. Sharee Hughes says:

    I think it’s great that not only does Pres. Uchtdorf give awesome talks, he’s also nice to look at. I thought his talk from Priesthood Meeting last night was excellent. Not that I was there–I’m not sure they even let women in, but I watched it online this morning while I was eating my breakfast. I selected his talk to watch so I could also look at him (hey, it’s all about aesthetics). His tie last night was nice, too.

  45. @loathing, I’m glad you pointed that out… I have always felt a little weird when leaders call their wives “Sister X”, it makes me feel like they’re ashamed to talk about their wives. :/

  46. trevorprice924 says:

    ^ Loathing, on my mission (~2002), my mission president told us he was explicitly instructed to call his wife “Sister X”. Apparently it was intended to sound more respectful than “my wife”. But I agree, it’s awkward. Using her given name sounds much better.

  47. I think we really are in the midst of a Mormon Spring! http://bit.ly/ZrnPE6

  48. German Pancakes and Bacon on the way. Mmm…advantages to watching Conferences at the in-laws. Two things:

    1. Uchtdorf FTW.

    2. Does anybody know who was the first person to start ending talks with “In the sacred name of…”? I’m thinking Hinckley, but it seems to have become one of the primary signifiers of General Authority-ness nowadays.

  49. Did I see a mustache in the MoTab?! (on one of the men, I should add)

  50. the narrator says:

    When the lights went out, why didn’t everyone just turn on their iPhones?

  51. Wait – did DFU just speak with no reference to flying or did I miss it?

  52. Andrew D says:

    It’s better than a bloke in our ward who always refers to “the wife” in his Aussie accent.

  53. MDearest says:

    Interesting gendered color scheme in the Choir this morning. Women in heavy-handed saturated pink. Men in faintest of blue ties.

  54. Kristine says:

    I get really nervous about talks about happy poor people… It’s not that I don’t believe it’s true, but it lets us rich Westerners off the hook too easily.

  55. Mark B. says:

    When they skipped one verse, I was hoping that bro Wilberg had actually read the text. Alas, not so.

  56. I have no problem with a Mission President calling his wife “Sister X” in formal settings, but elsewhere, in non-formal settings?

    No.

    Wonderful talk from Pres. Uchtdorf. Loved his use of the brightness of that sacrament meeting in the dark.

  57. @the narrator… First World Church Problems

  58. Sharee Hughes says:

    Thanks, Maria, for the link to the art. I just wish we could click on the painting and have it enlarged.

  59. Andrew D says:

    Is NLA watching a tennis match while he gives his talk

  60. @Casey, on “in the sacred name of”: You get it in some older conference addresses (and i’ve listened to selected ones back to 1936), but i don’t know precisely when it started. One day i’m going try to figure out when closing in the name of Jesus Christ became effectively required—frequently, speakers would just stop and walk away from the lectern, or just say “amen”.

  61. I think that we overuse the idea that X is a miracle, when X is simply a change in policy, or its obvious result.

  62. Loathing — some of the students in my Seminary class like to conclude their devotional messages with a simple AMEN, rather than the standard “in the name of…”

  63. His discussion of the young women who responded in five days to the mission age change includes my oldest daughter. It’s a bit emotional for me.

  64. Andrew D says:

    In this neck of the woods, if one wishes to appear to be a GA, one does not bear a testimony, one bears one’s witness.

  65. Haggoth says:

    No aviation stories today or yesterday. For that matter, no porn references in the entire priesthood session.

  66. J. Stapley says:

    Loathing, I’ve subsequently pitched this data set and started over. I’m more than two-thirds done, but this post will give you some rough ideas: https://bycommonconsent.com/2007/08/30/invoking-the-name-of-the-lord-a-quantitative-history/

  67. @J Stapley: Ooooh, nice.

  68. “be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with.” 1 Peter 3:15

    I’ve heard this scripture in conference quite a few times now.

    So….any questions?

  69. Kristine–I was thinking the same thing RE the poor. It is such a virtue to be poor cuz then you are humble and not beset with the sins of pride that the rich and wealthy have to struggle with on a daily basis. Hell, it’s great to be poor, cuz apparently all they lack are “material possessions” not anything “real.”

  70. Sharee Hughes says:

    Elder Andersen’s tie is pretty nice, too. Is he trying to copy Pres. Uchtdorf?

  71. “it’s great to be poor”

    or not, since that wasn’t the message at all.

  72. Some individuals are seeking the truth… but would be surprised to find it in a place that doesn’t treat women and LGBT folks fairly.

  73. Boston bloggers gets their own shout out?

    Come on now :p

  74. Noooooo….. I really don’t need more mormo-inspiratio-spam on my Facebook page.

  75. Andrew D says:

    JTZ – I’ve just been discussing this with someone studying religion at Cambridge. We agreed that rather than working out why our missionary approach is not successful among the educated classes, the church would rather just blame them for being prideful. Are they really any more prideful?

  76. StillConfused says:

    This dowry thing is a repeat. I heard this before

  77. Poorness is extolled as a virtue, Ray. And “material possessions” are what are identified as lacking. That’s problematic.

  78. On my mission, if the president’s wife referred to him as “President,” it was usually because he was in trouble.

  79. IS there a lack of cows in Mozambique?

  80. Re-post if you like Jesus, B.Russ!

  81. Brian F. says:

    Why is she happy?! Someone died!

  82. So did they teach the Mozambicans to simply ignore the dowry thing, or was it done with a bit more subtlety?

  83. No, JTZ, poorness is mentioned as a humbling condition. That is very, very different than extolling it as a virtue that all should emulate – unless it is in the willingness to share what we have and be voluntarily poor in that sense.

    There is a HUGE difference in that wording than what your quote suggested.

  84. Shawn Tucker says:

    Ray–I had the same response. My oldest goes into the MTC on May 1.

    Oh, one more thing: I have found that if I take a copy of the Book of Mormon to the store, all I have to do is hold it out to a cashier or someone and say, “This has helped me feel closer to God. I’d love to give it to you, but you can say no if you don’t want it.” Most people pause, look rather confused, and then smile and say okay. It is especially fun when I get hot chocolate (2 extra pumps of mocha) from the drive through at Starbucks and then offer the book to whoever passes me the drink.

  85. 93% of people won’t repost this, B.Russ & sunny.

  86. Well… I guess I DO like Jesus… I’d better re-post…

  87. No, Ray, linking poorness to humility is extolling the virtues of poverty, sorry.

  88. Another missionary talk it sounds like.

  89. Haggoth says:

    Couples living in sin married on Friday and baptized on Saturday. Why then do we make the young men wait weeks or months of porn or masturbation abstinence before blessing, passing or taking the sacrament?

  90. @StillConfused: If you’re a little kid who’s just learning to write, it’s totally okay to misspell words.

  91. So what exactly is your problem with the statement, JTZ?

    That’s a serious question, since surely you know the Church doesn’t teach people to avoid making a decent living and strive to be poor.

  92. Andrew D says:

    The softness of the voice is directly proportional to spirituality. Mathematical axiom.

  93. (Kind of a pity to focus on the clothing a female speaker’s wearing, but let’s face it, there isn’t enough variation in what the men wear to focus on theirs, you know?)

  94. This story about the lost child would be better if she had a scary voice.

  95. Give these people a glass of water before they speak! Mouth noises = icky

  96. Seth R. says:

    I don’t mind the stories about happy poor people. Mainly because I’m kind of done with the fashionable first-world self-loathing thing. Having realized that such self-loathing doesn’t really do the poor people any good. I started to realize that I was simply doing the self-loathing thing as an excuse for not doing anything.

    “Hey – I’m not doing squat for the poor. But at least I feel good and guilty about it! So it’s cool.”

    So I’m kind of over it. I enjoy stories about happy poor people for what they are – inspiring.

  97. Ray, you’re the one with the problem.

  98. Was his name Connor, or Samuel?

  99. Kristine says:

    Grrrrrr. Moms are equally tempted by phone messages and videos.

  100. StillConfused says:

    Another “slam the man” story.

  101. “In both cases, Doctor Halcomb observed a dimming of the child’s inner light.” Um, how exactly does one measure that?

  102. Seth R. says:

    I love the story about the kid in the fabric store. Parents need to quit freaking out about their children. Freaking out which has more to do with the parent’s emotional needs than the child’s.

  103. “The doctor observed a ‘dimming of the child’s light.'” Is that a scientifically or medically quantifiable?

  104. StillConfused – She was talking about a second grader. It is ABSOLUTELY okay to misspell a word and go back and correct it later, which is what she said! (I teach fourth grade. Far too many children are reluctant to express their ideas in writing because they are worried about misspelling words. I tell them that we will correct spelling when we edit and revise. The first draft can have plenty of mistakes.)

  105. JTZ, I asked a serious, sincere question trying to understand. It’s fine. Back to the current talk.

  106. Technological disconnect FAIL.

  107. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    Clothed in the golden plates

  108. StillConfused says:

    Loathing — clearly you measure the inner light in that ward house in Africa with DFU

  109. loathing and Cameron, naturally he used a Geiger counter.

  110. My 17 year old son is trying to close the lid to my computer right now!!! I guess he was trying to prove he’s awake listening

  111. If a man used primary voice, I would complain equally loudly = not sexist.

  112. StillConfused says:

    What words would I write if I were a captive and only had 25 words or less “Send marines. Bomb these b***tards”. Twenty words to spare

  113. Andrew D says:

    Come on Matt. The attack on the soft female voice is the opposite of sexist. I want her to be more assertive and firm.

  114. I love the yellow, but I’m also sitting on a couch that’s roughly the same shade. I think it’s happy.

  115. Kid of an abrupt end right there—i was expecting a minute or two more.

  116. Distracted parent with the phone is an even scarier story (in my ward, because it’s true!) whatever voice she uses to tell it.
    I think you can determine a child’s inner light level by sensing his/her aura.

  117. libbypotterboss says:

    Maybe it’s a “virtue dress.”

  118. I really hate that when a woman finally speaks, all we can talk about is her voice, rather than what she is saying.

  119. I need a diet coke! (quit 2 weeks ago, ugh)

  120. I do like the encouragement to leave not only spoken but written counsel for children. I have been very blessed to have parents (and grandparents) who often write meaningful letters and emails. I read back on them often; it’s something I hope to continue with my own children.

  121. Women speak in Primary Voice more often than men, because we have defined a common woman’s pitch and tone as “The Primary Voice” – especially those women who work with and teach young children on a regular basis.

    It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and absolutely sexist – and demeaning.

  122. Matt W. says:

    b.Russ- proof you are lying. Henry B. Eyring uses primary voice every time he speaks. you don’t complain. you are sexist. deal with it.

  123. “I want her to be more assertive and firm.”

    Andrew D, so you want her to talk like a man. No sexism in that.

  124. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    Was the talk about the happiness of church members in Africa a rebuttal to the theme of the broadway play?

  125. The presiding sisters could sit in a row: ROYGBIV, or would someone complain that they were supporting something other than the YW values?

  126. MDearest says:

    For the record, I am over the primary voice. One of the absolute best and smartest women in our ward has that as her natural voice. Every time I hear it anymore,I channel her.

  127. Matt W. says:

    andrew D- you want her to b a man. you sexist pig.

  128. maria: I hear you re: coke. I quit soda three weeks ago and it’s sooooo hard! I had a sip of my brother-in-law’s coke yesterday as a bit of a cheat and it tasted like ambrosia!

  129. StillConfused says:

    (so not to be accused of being sexist)…. Can you wear a red and blue tie with a black jacket?

  130. Andrew D says:

    Don’t get me started about how annoying Eyring’s semi-cry is. He maintains it for about 80% of his talk. Can’t bear it. Pull yourself together Eyring.

  131. Dalton wore orange yesterday, JTZ, It was yellow at the YW meeting.

  132. Sorry, Ray. I love you, but I object to the idea that speaking in an assertive, firm voice means talking like a man. I think I can be assertive, firm, and feminine. In fact, I revel in it. :)

  133. rigel: I’m pretty sure that the Church must be happy with the Broadway play; I mean, they are paying for advertisements in the play’s playbill.

  134. Mandy, that’s fine. But even better – how about we just enjoy people the way they are and refrain from making them the vessels of our own personal insecurities and resentments?

  135. BARF: “you get to see the spiritual character and caliber of a girl” http://t.co/4XgbPdnheR BARF

  136. @Matt W.: HBE uses primary voice?!? In which alternate universe are you hanging out?

  137. StillConfused says:

    The guy said something about marriage being priceless. My husband likes to say “no… marriage costs $50” (we eloped)

  138. Sounds like Matt W. has been accused of having a primary voice a few too many times, so now he’s a bit defensive.

  139. Madeline says:

    Ray – saying that being assertive and firm are attributes of a man is sexist.

  140. Mandy, I never said it is. I have no problem with assertive, firm female voices. I’m saying it’s fine not to speak that way – that not sounding like that is not childish.

  141. As an assertive and firm female, I think the sexist conversation is over now.

  142. Seth R., did I do otherwise? I don’t recall making any criticism of any speakers thus far.

  143. I’m having trouble focusing on Elder Clayton’s talk because I’m distracted by his massive shirt collar and off-center tie.

  144. Clayton’s talk is more fun if you pretend it is his passive aggressive attempt at communicating with his wife

  145. Did anybody add a “fortune-cookie” ending to his sentence: “and they retire to their bed together…to make more children!”

  146. I don’t know what it is, but every time that I hear “turn off electronics” I end up getting a strange urge to type another comment.

  147. Sorry again, Ray. I must’ve misread your comment. It came across that way to me, but if you didn’t mean it that way, then fine.

  148. narrator – FTW!

  149. libbypotterboss says:

    Wait—did he just RENOUNCE SEXISM?

    Nah. Couldn’t be.

  150. Madeline says:

    Matt W – if you call someone a sexist pig you want to make sure that you are not being one yourself.

  151. “Ray – saying that being assertive and firm are attributes of a man is sexist.”

    *sigh*

    That’s not what I believe; it’s what is being said by others.

    Let’s let this drop.

  152. Anyway, I’m kind of done with the tired “primary voice” topic. Need to listen more about this marriage talk.

  153. I have heard different versions of the “share passwords” at least once a month for the last year. I almost want to spite them and keep my passwords to myself, but my husband knows all of them already. Who else am I going to tell about my cool passwords?

  154. And inamongst all the arguing, we’re missing a fairly decent address on marriage. In particular, did anybody catch that he said that husbands treating wives as secondary partners are going against divine law? Makes me wonder how this is going to be reconciled with the idea of husbands always presiding, or always picking who says family prayers, or always calling the family together for FHE, or whatever.

  155. So what am I supposed to do with my wife’s social network passwords if I turn off the electronics?

  156. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    True Cameron, but I believe they would be happier if some editing was done.

  157. Must be okay for the wife to dominate the husband.

  158. Hey, he used his wife’s first name!

  159. I was in a ward not along ago that had long talks about checking out the opposite sex’s “virtual profiles” and not “friending” those of the opposite sex if you are married.

  160. Sometimes, trying to communicate adequately in short messages without being face-to-face is tough.

  161. I loved this short, sweet talk on marriage! Lots of little gems there.

  162. StillConfused says:

    Speaking of passwords … sort of… I changed my home wireless network to FBISurveillanceVan just to mess with my neighbors’ heads

  163. Rigel – “The Book of Mormon – The Broadway Play – Joseph Smith Translation” coming soon!

  164. @the_narrator Rofl!

  165. I really dislike the misinterpretation of “abstain from all appearance of evil” and how we extrapolate that into avoiding good things that others might see as inappropriate.

  166. Andrew D says:

    1. Husband presides.
    2. Husband and wife are equal partners.
    Hmmm. How long are they going to get away with this….

  167. <nerd>He just hypercorrected from the card-cord merger!</nerd>

  168. @StillConfused – If I ever see your wifi pop up on my list I’ll try not to freak out… Ours is called “INowPronounceYouManAndWifi”

  169. I really liked Elder Clayton’s talk.

  170. “I really dislike the misinterpretation of “abstain from all appearance of evil” and how we extrapolate that into avoiding good things that others might see as inappropriate.”

    AMEN.

  171. I also tend to dislike battlefield analogies when talking about nothing more than people who disagree with us and are willing to speak their own beliefs.

  172. I’ve settled on “PrettyFlyForAWiFi”

  173. Brian F. says:

    Elder Clayton was at my ward last Sunday, he talked for two hours, and gave us a preview of his talk today. He really does care about singles, and people not in the ideal circumstance. I really liked his comments, it gave me some things to think about for when I get married.

  174. He said “Free Agency”!

  175. andrew h says:

    My 5 year old son just walked into the family room and upon seeing Elder Perry on the TV pronounced, “Him Old!”

  176. Satan has “a role in God’s eternal plan”. That’s a pretty obvious thing, but you don’t hear it described as such very often.

  177. Satan is ambitious and driven? Why oh why did we loan him a copy of “7 Habits of Highly Effective People”?

  178. CJ Douglass says:

    Law is liberty? Where my libertarians?

  179. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    Funny Cameron. I haven’t been to Uganda, but I think there would be offense to the scripting of reactions of Ugandan’s to political trials and health problems as cursing God. President Uchtdorf’s talk provides a counter that light can be found even surrouding by that darkness.

  180. Our home network is called “IPronounceYouManandWifi”

  181. Given that it was necessary to give the ten commandments way back when, wouldn’t that be some evidence that there were issues with all of them back then, too?

  182. “The greater war than WWII”

    ?????? I understand the reference, but . . .

    I usually like Elder Perry’s talks, but this one just isn’t doing it for me.

  183. I think Dry Mouth Sounds should go on future GenConf bingo cards.

    Does Elder Perry talk like a pirate?

  184. Brooke beat me to the punch.

  185. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    Was Elder Perry’s tie cut from the same cloth as Sister Wixom’s jacket?

  186. Although I do understand the secularization view (and appreciate many of his points in context of teaching correct principles), I prefer our society to that of the alternative theocracies that exist in our world today.

  187. Rigel – that’s why I honestly found it so bizarre that the Church took out advertising in the playbook. I mean, I get the PR drive, but, you know, that’s financial contribution to the play as a whole and nothing speaks more loudly to media content creators than money.

  188. Here’s a difference of age: The release of Proclamation on the Family seems recent to him; it seems a good while ago to me; and for my kids, well, they weren’t even born when that happened.

  189. StillConfused says:

    This guy is getting worked up. Some good hellfire and damnation. Makes me miss Virginia.

  190. I see Deseret Book’s new line of Virtue Clothing is really gaining traction among GAs and officers.

  191. Andrew D says:

    Cameron. Best joke of the session. Genius!

  192. Is it “procreation” if birth control is being used?

  193. Ray, RE: battlefield analogies. Additionally, I thought the example in the Priesthood Session last night of friends not being true friends if they don’t accept you because of your beliefs and values was interesting. How often are we not true friends because we over-ambitiously demand people believe and act the way we do. There’s a double-edged sword in that axiom.

  194. andrew h says:

    Rigel – My Children want to send Elder Perry a “Perry the Platypus” tie if one can be found

  195. @Cameron: Really, though, the creators of that play aren’t the ones we have to look out for—yeah, they may find us silly and all, but they generally treat us with a bit of affection. (Essentially, they see us as harmless but entertaining.) Why not play along a bit with the joke, then, to demonstrate that we’re not stressed out by it?

  196. madeline, ditto back atcha, sexist person.

    bruss- yes you did. when you justified yourself by responding to my comment. but hey, it’s ok that you are sexist. so is Madeline

    loving that L. Tom Perry said Free Agency! makes me happy.

  197. Amen, B.Russ. I always have that thought whenever I hear that message.

    “We love him, because he first loved us.”

    Too often, we aren’t willing to love first.

  198. @Ray: That’s the issue I have when people talk about a religious vs. a secular society (particularly in civil matters): The unspoken, and sometimes very-loudly-spoken, assumption is that it’s MY religious values that should be upheld by society, not those of others. That gets tricky when everybody’s saying that.

  199. Perry: “we shouldn’t pick and choose which commandments to keep, besides most of those in the OT, which can be really weird”

  200. @B.Russ: I actually made a comment on my blog about that bit, asking whether that means that if we’re true friends we shouldn’t try to change other people’s values, too. I mean, what does that do to missionary efforts?

  201. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    “Where love is”…cashing in on “love” as the word of the session

  202. StillConfused says:

    And my husband is snoring. Is there a bingo spot for that?

  203. Everyone likes to rag on Boyd K. Packer as being the conservative on the Quorum (probably because he has a stern demeanor). But I note that people don’t really talk much about Elder Perry.

    Probably because he has a friendlier demeanor. But he could well be more conservative than Packer is.

  204. CJ Douglass says:

    My kids are getting the sex talk, right before my eyes.

  205. @Casey. I agree

  206. StillConfused says:

    Perry: “we shouldn’t pick and choose which commandments to keep, besides most of those in the OT, which can be really weird” hahaha

  207. andrew h says:

    My wife thinks that Mack Wilberg is a “Funeral Dirge” director

  208. CJ Douglass says:

    Perry ain’t goin nowhere. Dude looks spry as all get out !

  209. I know there’s been some harping on the color of the dresses, but MAN the ties that the men are wearing are dreadfully boring.

  210. I’ve run into Elder Perry in the conference center elevator a couple of times. He is very cheerful and friendly and funny. Because of that, this talk was a little bit surprising to me in its intensity.

  211. Ok. Any slower and the choir fall asleep.

  212. Every time I hear “will never change”, I get the sense that somewhere, someone is being set up for a faith crisis

  213. Matt W, fine, I’m a raging sexist. I also have a tendency to mix up vowels. You’re still a twit.

  214. I think they should have gone for maximum effect with the choir and put the men in those pale grey suits they wear on occasion.

    Just close your eyes and imagine it….

  215. StillConfused says:

    It isn’t just the color of the dresses but the design as well.

  216. MDearest says:

    I tellya, those choir ties are Desaturated Blue. Totally boring. Like the tempo.

  217. I agree, Seth R. If you don’t count his talks about sexual topics (where he obviously is extremely conservative and which get all the press and attention), Pres. Packer is moderate and sometimes even liberal in some of his statements – especially in training sessions and outside of General Conference.

    Elder Perry tends to be more consistently conservative across the board.

  218. Is “beloved prophet” now a single lexical item for us? HBE pronounced it more like a compound word than two words, i think.

  219. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    One of the new members of the 1st Q of 70 said he has to take two steps to every one of Dallin Oaks to keep up with him, and with Elder Perry, it is even more physically demanding

  220. StillConfused says:

    How is it that this man doesn’t need glasses and I am 45 and needing reading glasses and probably distant ones too??

  221. CJ Douglass says:

    Seth R. – Perry was never big on producing pamphlets. That’s the difference.

  222. Tight shot of Brian Hales in the Choir.

  223. TSM’s looking healtheir than he has the past couple conferences, i’m thinking.

  224. Look’s like we’re all gonna take a beat down this afternoon. They’ve saved Christofferson, Oaks, and Holland all for the final session. Should be a good one!!

  225. CJ Douglass says:

    Elder Perry, please give us a heads up next time. My kids are in the room.

  226. I actually like the way that Pres. Monson is addressing “keep the commandments” and “obedience” compared to how Elder Perry did so. That probably says more about me than it does about either of them.

  227. Andrew D says:

    Linguistic virus spreading through the church – to begin a sentence with “How” and then to form a sentence that leaves me wondering whether it really is a sentence. eg. “How blessed we are to be members of the church.” Is that a question or a statement or even a sentence? Lacking expertise.

  228. StillConfused says:

    Good animation here!!

  229. Thomas S. Monson, pyromaniac.

  230. Sharee Hughes says:

    Still confused, maybe he wears contacts?

  231. Pyro!

  232. @Andrew D: It’s an indirect question—it’s the form of a question, but has the effect of a statement.

  233. As a pyromaniac, I like this story.

  234. andrew h says:

    If this story ends with anything short of a raging wildfire I will be very disappointed ;)

  235. I live in Colorado and we’re already at the end of one of the driest winters we’ve had in decades.

    I’m not finding this story as cute as some might.

  236. StillConfused says:

    And thus the Great Provo Fire of 1940 mystery is solved!! Has the statute of limitations run?

  237. Suddenly “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel is running through my mind.

  238. MDearest says:

    Amazing comic timing. I love it.

  239. I love his facial expressions and sense of humor – and his willingness to admit stupid things he has done.

  240. I love President Monson’s expressions. He has such an endearing personality.

  241. Brian F. says:

    I think it was 1935 when he was 8.

  242. @Ray: And i think that can have some very healthy knock-on effects for the church, if we start to recognize the humanity of our prophets a bit more.

  243. Sharee Hughes says:

    Seth, it is a cute story. However, he is not saying, boys, go out and set fires like I did when I was a boy, he is saying, boys, DON’T go out and set fires like I did. So it is a good BE OBEDIENT story.

  244. The faces that President Monson makes while he talks cracks me up. Every time that he tells a joke he gives his dumbfounded look. Never gets old.

  245. StillConfused says:

    Offering kids as a sacrifice always freaks me out. But then again, there are some pretty unruly kids out there ;)

  246. I really like talks on keeping the commandments that focus on teaching correct principles and allowing people to govern themselves. Again, that probably says more about me than about the speaker, but that is the main difference I see in this talk and the last one.

  247. They saved the old growth pines…until Charles Nibley’s lumber company harvested them the next spring.

  248. John Taber says:

    Elder Perry said what needed to be said, with love. He’s very warm, and I keep forgetting just how old he is. (His grandson Terry Haws is my age.)

  249. Different members needs to hear the same things in different ways – which is why I try hard not to get upset when someone speaks about something in a way that doesn’t do anything good for me. I try to remember that it probably is doing something good for someone else.

  250. @Ray: True dat.

    Well, except for DFU—everybody gets something good out of his addresses, right?

  251. I like that perspective, Ray. Didn’t someone give a talk recently about how not every conference talk is for everyone?

  252. Lots of talk about the international church this conference.

  253. andrew h says:

    Should I point out that “Home Teachers” did not technically exist before “The War”

  254. I find it interesting that he’s pronouncing Walter Krause (Krauser?) as wɑltɹ kɹɑʊzə, with a partially-German pronunciation of the last name but a totally anglicized first name.

  255. You know, it’d make for a bit less busy-ness for bishops on Sundays before church if home teachers could accept tithing payments nowadays.

  256. “Obedience is the first law of quilts”

  257. Trusting tithing to HT? Wow, you trust humanity more than I do.

  258. StillConfused says:

    This song always cracks me up. When I was a kid, I thought they were saying “Come Come Ye Saints, no toilet paper fear”… gave me a totally different view of what being a pioneer must be like

  259. I really like President Monson’s constant focus on individuals and their stories. It’s authentic to his core vision.

  260. Obedience is the first law of Celts.

  261. I usually think of Come, Come, Ye Saints as one of our more rousing hymns. Rethinking that position now.

  262. Andrew D says:

    How many modulations in the last song?

  263. Kristine says:

    Just wait till the key changes start, Mandy!

  264. StillConfused says:

    I downloaded a metronome app just to track how slow the songs are in church

  265. Come, Come Ye Saints as Wedding March.

  266. All is swell!

  267. andrew h says:

    To steal a line from a commenter at fmh, “The MoTab is trying to put us all to death with the power of their slowness…I could really use some holy roller dancing in the aisles right now. The psalm says ‘Make a joyful noise!’ not ‘Make a joyful whimper.'”.

  268. Andrew D says:

    Candy for every modulation! ….major to minor and back again

  269. Geez, it’s like you guys all have ADHD or something…

  270. Well, it did pick up a bit there. Beautiful towards the end.

  271. @Jami: Didn’t say i would do so, just mainly remarking on how things have changed.

  272. Did he actually just pray that we can return on time for the next session?

  273. Andrew D says:

    ADHD? You’re the one who posted in the middle of the prayer.

  274. Depending on how the internet feed is going, people are hearing the prayer at different times.

  275. Serious question…have any non-whites spoken yet? I’m drawing a blank.

  276. That’s right Andrew – my sins are justified by the lag.

  277. @JTZ: Not that i’ve noticed. Of course, it’s not like the population to sample from isn’t a bit skewed to begin with…

  278. Which reminds me of Kirk’s comment before about lots of talk about the international church. Yes, lots of talk *about*, but I want the IC’s *perspective*.

  279. loathing- yes, that’s the thing.

  280. Andrew D says:

    Aware of the lack of synchronicity, I was just being mischievous …but it sounds like you are confessing sins now. I’m not qualified to speak – too sinful myself.

  281. Rigel Hawthorne says:

    Call me corny, but the modulated “All is Well” chorus gave me goose bumbs! Usually I have to be watching Drum and Bugle Corps live for that to happen.

  282. Sorry, Loathing. I was behind on the conference, so I didn’t realize what you were saying. The thought of handing cash over to some of the HTs I’ve had was not a pleasant one.

  283. @loathing Re: tithing. It would save EVERYONE a lot more time if people just paid through banking Bill Pay (i.e. online)

  284. I just wanted to say that I think that you all are real. Even though you are only a few words on the screen, and may seem barely real. Probably you are playing the same postmodern identity game that I’m playing and masking yourself with words in a thousand subtle, semi-honest ways. Language may be over-determining you. I still think you are real. I know that you are in your homes somewhere in reality, probably in your bath robes and maybe a little smelly because you didn’t follow the admonition to wash yourselves before beginning your viewing of the prophets that we are all so grateful for.

    Please don’t turn off your electronics. The people here are insane, and I need you.

  285. Chris Kimball says:

    Thanks Kristine for the almost real time descriptions.
    I had hoped for discussion of more than dress colors and peculiarly GC vocabulary and speaking styles, but recognize that it’s almost impossible to discuss a live broadcast . . . almost impossible even to type a substantive comment before we’re on to the next talk or hymn or prayer.
    But for example, I would have liked to discuss the following —
    I heard President Monson say (caps emphasis is mine):
    1. There is NO NEED . . . to sail uncharted seas . . . our course [is] obedience
    2. Life would be SIMPLER for all of us if we would obey
    3. Obedience is ESSENTIAL to our salvation
    Logically, literally these are three quite different statements, not three ways of saying the same thing. Is there important meaning in the differences? Or does ESSENTIAL subsume the whole, making the others just nicer, softer, warmer ways of encouraging to the same point?

  286. There was a wash yourselves admonition? I need a link, and I am smelly, but I’m about to take a shower and don’t worry no turning off electronics here, at least not permanently.

  287. Chris, I like that he said clearly that obedience needs to be to God and Jesus and their commandments. I know we Mormons like to extrapolate that to everything any leader says, but that’s not what President Monson said – and I like that he didn’t get into specifics.

  288. Vital point Ray, but would you care to enumerate the instances this Conference where counsel contrary to God’s commandments was given?

  289. “would you care to enumerate the instances this Conference where counsel contrary to God’s commandments was given?”

    No.

  290. European Saint says:

    If any member who supports Same-Sex Marriage (SSM) has listened to all of these sessions and still feels his/her support is in line with the Lord and His Church’s Leadership, I would be extremely curious to hear why. I am so grateful for apostles, prophets, and auxiliary leaders who do not hesitate to speak truth regardless of what is trending, PC, etc. As President Monson stated at the end of Sunday morning session (quoting President Hinckley): progress equals obedience.

  291. Documentary about the importance of the King James Bible…when can we get that translated into Spanish? Not the Bible–the *King James* Bible.

  292. European Saint, what if someone were to say they believe it’s a political and civil rights issue, and that the Conference had reaffirmed the Church’s commitment to supporting political diversity among Latter-day Saints.

  293. European Saint says:

    Then I would respectfully disagree. But I assumed you (or someone else) would take that stance (based upon Pres. Uchtdorf’s marvelous Priesthood session talk). In any case, thank you for a reply.

  294. You may disagree, and that’s fine, but to take a stance that there’s no way to hold such views and be “in-line” with Church leadership is not a helpful stance to take. People will interpret the scriptures and conference talks, and most other things in ways that speak to them, at times in a way that is self-affirming and at other times in a way that challenges the self. But that’s the prerogative of each of us, and not for you to determine. So, people might respect that you took that away from Conference, but it would seem improper for you to go around saying that everyone had to agree with your interpretation for them to be “in line” with God.

  295. European Saint, everyone is entitled to their opinion no?

  296. European Saint says:

    JTZ: I certainly will not “go around saying that everyone had to agree with [my] interpretation.” But I will continue to be amazed at certain other interpretations. Hope that is alright with you.

  297. ^^ What @JTZ said.

  298. John Taber says:

    Just as I’m amazed at LDS who say we should be “pro-choice” (whatever that really means) because “we have our free agency”.

  299. It’s ok to me that you’re astonished. It’s not ok to me to go around posing questions about it in a way that construes others as strange and faithless for interpreting things differently than you do.

  300. I mean, really—we have enough examples from church history (including recent church history) of folks we sustain as all being prophets, seers, and revelators having different takes on what rules and practices should be that i think we should all be pretty humble about suggesting that any of our interpretations of such things might be the One True Path, you know?

  301. John, fwiw, the Church’s official stance is pro-life in concept but pro-choice in practice.

    I actually think that is a good example of why Pres. Uchtdorf’s talk last night is so important. We have to value the diversity of our membership and not insist we all think and act alike. That is necessary on both sides of any issue. Both tend to devalue the view of the other side, and we need to fight that tendency to equate Zion with uniformity. I believe it is more unity despite differences than the lack of differences, and that was Pres. Uchtdorf’s message last night.

  302. European Saint says:

    JTZ: Just a sincere note to say I don’t consider you “strange and faithless.” Heck, I don’t even know you. I would love to get to know you/your ideas more so as to better comprehend. I fully uphold every line from Pres. Uchtdorf’s talk; perhaps this is a good starting point for BRT.

  303. European Saint, it is just a matter of opinion no?

  304. I can appreciate that response, ES, thank you.

  305. Flyfishdoug says:

    Euro saint
    With your analogy, obedience would mean no questioning, no change, no progress, no blacks with priesthood, no women praying in conf, no women vote, no restoration. Same sex attraction has been present in old testiment, new testament, JS times. There are many issues around same gender marriage but procreation and enternal stagnation isn’t really what many think it’s about. Empathy, tolerence, obedience, happiness, fulfillment, may be more important to many. When people realize that there are two kinds of people in the world, those who know they have gay friends and family and those who don’t know they have gay friends and family, a new kind of Christ like love and understanding might be abundant.

  306. ...gorete says:

    Well then.

  307. it's a series of tubes says:

    Re: tithing. It would save EVERYONE a lot more time if people just paid through banking Bill Pay (i.e. online)

    But only if paid to SLC directly :) Paying via bill pay to your local unit creates a ton more work for the clerks and bishopric, who have to fill out your donation slips for you, etc.

  308. Stories of naughty young Tommy Monson give me hope/fear that my almost-8-year-old son may be future prophet material after all.

    General Conference Mouth Noises drive me INSANE. I’ve had to shut off the audio feed on many a talk because the little smacking sounds make my skin crawl. Thank goodness the Ensign conference edition comes out the next month.

  309. European Saint says:

    Flyfishdoug: I respectfully disagree. Also, don’t assume others don’t have close relationships (friends, family) with those who are gay just because they choose to uphold the Church’s stance on such issues (for both rational and spiritual reasons). To do so would be to assume wrongly, which it appears you have done.